@Riot, You really need to tone down Shyvana's jungle clear ffs

Wukong Airlines·Jan 24, 2018·14 votes·2,332 views

I don't get it how can a champion with just 1-2 damage item deal that HUGE amount of damage. She's so fucking tanky she gets MS stereoids to chase or escape, Resistances and her jungle clear is super fucking broken. she clears her jungle and proceeds to clear yours to get out early with 2 levels ahead of you, and can solo drake at level 3-4.

I get it, needed a mini-rework so badly, but changing a champ to be this broken and unkillable unless you're 3 is just unhealthy af. No wonder she got high pick ratio and a decent win ratio.

You got your priorities, now I'm not sure what are they anymore, but a top priority should be to make champs of each role EQUALLY competitive in gameplay.

44 Comments

Infernal IronicJan 24, 20187 votes

BECAUSE SHE DOESNT HAVE ANY OTHER STRENGHT

THATS HOW

Shuyin178Jan 24, 20185 votes

Fun Fact about Shyvana, jungle clear and counter jungle was the only things people would use her for when picking her because she was considered weak. Then, out of the blue, a few people finally figured out how to use her in a broken way, resulting in everyone realizing how strong she really is.

You'd be surprised how often a champion is viewed as weak and trash, turns out they're a hidden powerhouse (old mid-Lulu, Illaoi, Twitch back when he got his visual update, etc).

PapaGreg21Jan 24, 20181 votes

That's not true. She was actually weak for quite a while but got some offense on her flame breath and the runes have been a buff to her as well. Plus some of the more obnoxious junglers have been nerfed. People didn't just "discover" she was strong. She was given a better power budget over the last few months.

MohawkBirdJan 24, 20181 votes

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MimrJan 24, 20182 votes

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It's really just press the attack putting her in a state that's over the top. Don't get me wrong, she always used to be able to do a good amount of damage, but nowhere near what it is right now. It's very unlikely that these "powerhouses" just come out randomly without some sort of change taking place.

She lost fervor so PtA isn't going to give her that much of a bonus compared to what she had before because she could literally stack fervor to 8 stacks in <1.5 seconds.

Anyway, yeah, she's strong in the current meta (read my other posts in this topic as to why), but I still feel she's kind of a "pray your teammates don't completely fuck up before you reach 6 and know how to play with a jungler who's not a gank-fiesta" type of jungler. If you have teammates with 0 game knowledge who still permanently push their lanes under the enemies' tower in a Shyvana vs. Lee Sin matchup and proceed to feed Lee to 7-0 in 7 minutes (and then blame you of course) you're royally fucked no matter how good your post-6 game is.

RatpieJan 25, 20181 votes

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She lost fervor so PtA isn't going to give her that much of a bonus compared to what she had before because she could literally stack fervor to 8 stacks in <1.5 seconds.

Anyway, yeah, she's strong in the current meta (read my other posts in this topic as to why), but I still feel she's kind of a "pray your teammates don't completely fuck up before you reach 6 and know how to play with a jungler who's not a gank-fiesta" type of jungler. If you have teammates with 0 game knowledge who still permanently push their lanes under the enemies' tower in a Shyvana vs. Lee Sin matchup and proceed to feed Lee to 7-0 in 7 minutes (and then blame you of course) you're royally fucked no matter how good your post-6 game is.

For sure. Also, drop a ward on dragon, watch her go for the level 3 kill and go in and kill her and drag. Do people not realize that wards are the ultimate jungle counter?

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20185 votes

You know what's funny? I've been playing Shyvana since around June and she is no different now then she was in June. In fact, I had better games with her in season 7 than I do now.

No one played her because she was unpopular, but all of the sudden Korea starts playing Shyvana so everyone else does. NOW SHE'S SO OP.

She's been this OP for a while, but no one bothered to play her.

CrystalyskJan 24, 20181 votes

Many other junglers used to outclass her hard during s7. They either got nerfed or got indirectly nerfed with new runes.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20181 votes

Um...

Like who? The only junglers I have a problem with as shyvana were Udyr and Warwick.

R492Apr 8, 20181 votes

Evelynn is her main counter, Udyr's output isn't enough to take her down without help and as for Warwick as long as he doesn't get fed isn't any kind of real asset

ChaddyFantomeJan 24, 20181 votes

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You know what's funny? I've been playing Shyvana since around June and she is no different now then she was in June. In fact, I had better games with her in season 7 than I do now.

No one played her because she was unpopular, but all of the sudden Korea starts playing Shyvana so everyone else does. NOW SHE'S SO OP.

Same. People just bitching now because they see her more often.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20183 votes

Exactly, she hasn't changed at all. It's annoying when I see this happen with everyone.

Like Tristana half way through season 7, no one ever played her. She didn't change, she was always that good but she was OP now because she was played.

JoeMGJan 24, 20182 votes

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Exactly, she hasn't changed at all. It's annoying when I see this happen with everyone.

Like Tristana half way through season 7, no one ever played her. She didn't change, she was always that good but she was OP now because she was played.

Yea I never understood that one. I felt like Trist was freelo as far back as S6, then some pros picked her up and everyone jumped on board.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20182 votes

People just like to hop on the "OP" bandwagon.

DurzakaJan 24, 20181 votes

Tristana was OP because of Ardent Censer.

She was one of the best abusers of it in the game, and as a result was ridiculously OP while it remained strong.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20181 votes

And yet everyone says she's still OP

Lil Homie bustaJan 24, 20185 votes

That's probably true

But the fact that everybody lost base MR and a big part of her damage is magic maybe has something to do with her current power aswell.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20183 votes

Ehhh... I've only ever seen 1 AP shyvana before.

Her AP damage isn't much, even early game

SchàdenfreudeJan 24, 20182 votes

Her magic damage scales with AP, but it also scales with AD. That's why AD Shyvanas have high magic damage, not because they build AP.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20181 votes

You build AD, thats all I care about.

SchàdenfreudeJan 24, 20181 votes

Yeah but you said that you've only seen one AP Shyvana in your life to a comment saying how Shyvana has great magic damage, as if you are implying that Shyvana builds AP.

DurzakaJan 24, 20185 votes

For someone who has played Shyvana for the last 6-7 months, you sure don't know her kit very well.

Her W deals magic damage, and both her E and popping the mark on her E deal magic damage.

On top of that, the magic damage from her W scales with AD. So you dont fucking build AP to deal magic damage.

Everyone losing MR drastically increased her damage to champions.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20181 votes

I play the champion, I don't care how they work.

I auto, I get kills, I dont' care how I get them. I get them

DurzakaJan 25, 20184 votes

Which is fine.

But that automatically disqualifies you from having any serious discussion about the champion as a whole.

BlåbæretJan 24, 20184 votes

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Ehhh... I've only ever seen 1 AP shyvana before.

Her AP damage isn't much, even early game lol

You're in this thread, but you don't even know how the champ works. Yeah. Magic damage is a LARGE portion of her damage lmao.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20182 votes

Ok, I know how the champ works.

Her autos are a LARGE PORTION.

PapaGreg21Jan 24, 20181 votes

Press the attack and her flame breath were buffed. She was below average about 8 months ago.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20182 votes

With how badly I stomped people I can tell you she wasn't below average.

And the buff to her E was to give it AD scaling. Her damage isn't her E. Its her Autos

BlåbæretJan 24, 20181 votes

You can stomp people with Fiddles too. Doesn't make him OP.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXJan 24, 20181 votes

............

Nice........

MimrJan 24, 20184 votes

Her clearing is actually somewhat weak until level 4. Yes, it's still on the fast side, but it does leave her on low health. And before she hits 6 early-game junglers like Lee make mincemeat out of her. Also, her ganks are super weak until she hits 6. She's also quite kiteable if you play it well.

But yes, the meta favors her at the moment, she loves the tanks + hypercarry compositions that you see everywhere. She will happily dive into your two tanks, 2v1 them and come out on top. It's what she's designed to do. Counter her by playing poke-heavy champions ( Morgana Lux for example) and mobile, self reliant squishies (she hates the likes of Ahri Fizz Ezreal Kalista Vayne ).

I'm not sure she needs nerfs. Maybe a small one, but as I said, Shyvana is designed to wreck the 5-man deathball comps you see everywhere right now. It would be strange if she had a low winrate at the moment.

ChaddyFantomeJan 24, 20182 votes

her clear is literally her most defining strength and always has been. If you really wanna nerf her, hit her somewhere else.

Tychusfindlay918Jan 24, 20181 votes

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her clear is literally her most defining strength and always has been. If you really wanna nerf her, hit her somewhere else.

Now that her ult is unstoppable, they could completely revert the HP gain buff she got :)

MimrJan 24, 20181 votes

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Now that her ult is unstoppable, they could completely revert the HP gain buff she got :)

She actually got the HP buff in dragon form together with the ult dive being unstoppable. Also, no, that is not the right nerf. If she gets nerfed, it should be shaving off a little of her W or E damage to monsters (but not champions).

ChaddyFantomeJan 24, 20181 votes

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She actually got the HP buff in dragon form together with the ult dive being unstoppable. Also, no, that is not the right nerf. If she gets nerfed, it should be shaving off a little of her W or E damage to monsters (but not champions).

other way around. Nerf her dmg to champions. not monsters.

ChaddyFantomeJan 24, 20181 votes

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Now that her ult is unstoppable, they could completely revert the HP gain buff she got :)

they took away her bonus resists before and on cast when they gave her that

BlåbæretJan 24, 20182 votes

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I don't get it how can a champion with just 1-2 damage item deal that HUGE amount of damage. She's so fucking tanky she gets MS stereoids to chase or escape, Resistances and her jungle clear is super fucking broken. she clears her jungle and proceeds to clear yours to get out early with 2 levels ahead of you, and can solo drake at level 3-4.

I get it, needed a mini-rework so badly, but changing a champ to be this broken and unkillable unless you're 3 is just unhealthy af. No wonder she got high pick ratio and a decent win ratio.

You got your priorities, now I'm not sure what are they anymore, but a top priority should be to make champs of each role EQUALLY competitive in gameplay.

She's literally been the same for ages. She got a nerf last season and you never saw her again. New runes gave her a comeback. She's a farm jungler. She has weak ganks. You're exagerrating.

ZephyrDrakeJan 24, 20182 votes

if she isn't able to clear the jungle fast then there would be no reason to ever pick her over anyone else

Void Baboon RFJan 24, 20181 votes

There's actually some kid here jerking off about how shy totally hasn't changed since season 7 omg she no op. Like lmao. Like the preseason was just a collective dream that we all had and really, we're in 2017.

EssenceOfPooJan 24, 20181 votes

wtf do you mean we're in 2017? wtf? i thought we were still 2016. what has happened? is pokemon go still a thing? how did the election go? did jeb bush win? please tell me he won. oh god, please no.

[sg-janna]

Shifting SandsJan 24, 20181 votes

ive come to find that higher cc teams and high life steal bruisers really demolish her, try using some of those champs

I nid a leeschJan 24, 20181 votes

I dont think her clears are op i think the rate at which she gets rage is really op she gets her ult, then ulties, takes 3 camps ulties again.

LittleBunnyRuruJan 25, 20181 votes

My friend, they gotta tone a f-ton on her! i'm sorry but even tho i main her in jg, she is WAY to strong

LongtowelJan 25, 20181 votes

Shyvana is the clear speed jungler, she can’t gank as well as many others, doesn’t have built in C.C., is actually surprisingly squishy early on, and absolutely MUST clear fast and clear hard to be useful.

If you coordinate with team and put a damper on her clears and dragon steals, prevent her from counter jungling, then that’s her biggest strength gone.

Her damage is quite insane though, but it comes at a cost of having such a simple kit. If she can’t gain a significant advantage earlier on, and has some tankiness built before mid game, she struggles in team fights because she has no C.C., no defence, and very little outplay potential.

Playing shyvana requires very good jungling knowledge.