im tired of having to ban twitch

Rexxiee··63 votes·3,224 views

Seriously how can he escape nerfs for so long?

His ult needs the ad steroid completely removed or his base stats need to go into the dumpster, twitch snowballs way too hard and gains too much power from lvls alone (6) and if he ever pulls ahead you auto lose the game.

How many twitch mains are in the balance team?

64 Comments

Clementine17 votes

JarvanIV Sejuani Chogath Twitch Tristana have been posioning solo queue and pro play for a long time, and they all need nerfs lol

Faustavian7 votes

Fuck. AD. Jarvan.

Fairyfleur6 votes

Full AD Jarvan does Zed's job but faster in an AOE. Only drawback is thatt he can't get out once he's in

Dextix LT5 votes

Who needs to get out when your target is dead in seconds?

Faustavian2 votes

All you need to do is one shot the fed enemy, the rest will just collapse.

Knoyle1 votes

I haven't seen a Sejuani that wasn't me very often at all but perhaps this is the pro play part you are talking about. The New Sejuani feels like a soulless E bot and I couldn't figure out why anyone would find appeal in playing her.

Clementine1 votes

elo

Xikini13 votes

I actually think he's fairly balanced. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Nick Da Chip3 votes

Asides from the fact that he can pop outta no where and kill you instantly if fed I have to agree. If he is fed then he probably should be able to kill you easily so maybe it is balanced, but extremely frustrating. Imma still ban him senior xikini pickle man

Faustavian5 votes

Eh, I find an equally fed Talon Bard Akali Ezreal Chogath Leblanc Pantheon far more cancerous than a twitch

Big Black Croc2 votes

Bard?

jannit0r16 votes

Never underestimate the power of On-Hit Bard

cringemaster382 votes

what about MasterYi

Tails90161 votes

You mean KogMaw...

Wait that's normal Kog

Faustavian1 votes

This guy^^ That's exactly why too; fuck on-hit Bard.

SoryInAdvance2 votes

Ezreal?? Isn't he like one of the crappiest champions in the game at the moment?

50000000000000005 votes

As bot laner, yes. As jungler, no.

SoryInAdvance1 votes

Fair enough ig lol. Kinda gimmicky like nidalee jungle though in that it only works with actual good players. So not in my level haha

Faustavian1 votes

He might be. But when he's good in the meta, or ahead, it's fucking toxic as hell to try to shut him down.

DaNinad11 votes

Most twitch mains are actually agreeing he needs nerfs lol

Solidair39 votes

Unfortunately, he's not being nerfed for two reasons:

  1. Runes reforged is coming and will change the gamescape in terms of balance, and so it's arguably pointless to balance him as a result (a point that I WOULD argue, since he can be rebalanced after the patch hits too)

  2. His specific kit (stealth and team fight utility) unfortunately have been argued by rioters to just be a good combination for soloQ. I would personally argue that this combination of traits is far too strong for any champion to have in any context, not to mention that ardent is on the scene and making him even stronger.

Anyway, I wouldn't expect anything any time soon. To be honest this whole situation reminds me of when Jinx didn't receive an AS penalty with her rockets and Riot was trying to argue that she was only perceived as good because she had good AoE damage, which is such garbage and they realized that and now Jinx is in a pretty good state.

Twitch should lose his AS bonus from coming out of stealth. He needs to have his power reduced.

Salson9 votes

Pretty much the first point.

From a designers perspective, it's only a couple of months, and players can wait a little bit.

For players, it's hundreds of games being throws to shit because of this god forsaken meta.

Thilmer3 votes

{quoted}

  1. His specific kit (stealth and team fight utility) unfortunately have been argued by rioters to just be a good combination for soloQ. I would personally argue that this combination of traits is far too strong for any champion to have in any context, not to mention that ardent is on the scene and making him even stronger.

Stealth and ranged autoattacks with extremely high damage are obviously a bad idea.

I can't believe someone that earns a living by balancing a videogame doesn't see the problem.

Truli911 votes

{quoted}

Unfortunately, he's not being nerfed for two reasons:

  1. Runes reforged is coming and will change the gamescape in terms of balance, and so it's arguably pointless to balance him as a result (a point that I WOULD argue, since he can be rebalanced after the patch hits too)

  2. His specific kit (stealth and team fight utility) unfortunately have been argued by rioters to just be a good combination for soloQ. I would personally argue that this combination of traits is far too strong for any champion to have in any context, not to mention that ardent is on the scene and making him even stronger.

Anyway, I wouldn't expect anything any time soon. To be honest this whole situation reminds me of when Jinx didn't receive an AS penalty with her rockets and Riot was trying to argue that she was only perceived as good because she had good AoE damage, which is such garbage and they realized that and now Jinx is in a pretty good state.

Twitch should lose his AS bonus from coming out of stealth. He needs to have his power reduced.

A..no. twitch can easily get shut down. He has no mobily, no flashes like other adc and shorter range than any other adc . He doesnt need a nerf.

FooDang4 votes

Someone has to be permabanned. When Twitch gets nerfed champion X will step up to the plate to take his place.

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

Tsss. I'd love to be able to ban Twitch. Or even just ban someone that simply counters me.

Unfortunately, Chogath Draven Fizz Gnar Heimerdinger Karma Kennen Lissandra Malzahar Pantheon Syndra TahmKench Talon Tryndamere Tristana Vladimir and XinZhao are all far more cancerous, and have higher ban priority.

Twitch, you can just collapse on and blow up. He has a lot of range and damage, but he has no escape or CC, and he's squishy. All of these fuckers? Good luck. All except two have hard CC. Most have higher damage than Twitch. All are more durable.

If you're banning Twitch while any of these 16 are possibly viable, you're making a pretty big mistake. They're all arguably more cancerous, and at least one of them (Cho'gath) is objectively broken, and will remain so until Stoneplate reduces all outgoing damage. (Xin Zhao's also really strong right now).

SB Arneeman30 votes

Why in the world would you ban Heimerdinger Lissandra TahmKench Tryndamere right now. They are not even close to how strong Twitch is, and few people plays them. Can any other champion stealth and kill you in 1 second while having some of the best AOE in the game and also shred tanks? All while outside the range of 95% of champions?

As a mage player, a class that should be good vs immobile adcs, I try to keep him permabanned. Twitch was good even when we memed about adc 2017 at the start of the season, and he's not been nerfed since then! His winrate has been insane the entire time.

cringemaster389 votes

who bans Kennen????

Tails90166 votes

Bronze

Cunky2 votes

Trust me, I'm in Bronze, and you almost never see Kennen banned. As a (maybe) present Kennen main, that shit is almost never banned. Ever.

koshkyra2 votes

I would ban trynd and maybe tahm tbh

Mannny12 votes

Why the hell are you banning Heimerdinger ? In what godforsaken world is Heimerdinger more oppressive then Twitch ?

Thefrostyviking8 votes

Lissandra ??

She´s been weak for ages, you hardly ever see one, regardless of elo.

And when you do they either feed and becomes useless or they snowball and either win straight away or become useless when lategame starts.

She´s like one of the least played mages because of this, and her winrates are bad to boot.

Only dedicated mains are playing her these days, and the champ still sits at 49%.

Even Aurelion has 53% winrate with only mains playing him-

Meanwhile korean top 200 Taliyah diamond+ mains all have between 55% to 65% winrate on the champ. A few oddballs even have as much as 70%.

And you think Lissandra is nasty? The champ that has been sitting below 50% for nearly the entire season? Whose mains also struggle?

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

not weak, just doesn't do well in the current meta due to range.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Her damage is medicore for a mage, her mobility and roaming are sup par due to how slow she is and she needs to dive ontop of enemies with a glass cannon build to kill them.

She is like the least threatening mage in the entire game o_o

You wont be scared seeing a lissandra going into your team, you´ll be like "slap dat cold bitch with CC if she goes anywhere near us for a easy kill then watch her team report her for inting".

She is just as bad as Azir was before his recent rework, except a bit worse since she has no lategame.

Azazel Aerternum4 votes

As Riven I make sweet, non-consensual love to Twitch.

No matter how much he slams his keyboard, or screams at his computer, no one escapes the Light.

He's level 4, I'm level 6, he's pushed in his lane, I have a deepward, I have ultimate, after I'm done, he only has a broken keyboard.

You just roam and cut his throat, rather simple. Works for pretty much all ADC's. Snowball your advantage, ram that advantage down his throat, prevent him from playing the game.

Riven [sg-soraka]

Barcid1 votes

Twitch : Lol you think I'm still level 4 after double killing your botlane twice already...

Dreamspitter1 votes

{quoted}

As Riven I make sweet, non-consensual love to Twitch.

No matter how much he slams his keyboard, or screams at his computer, no one escapes the Light.

He's level 4, I'm level 6, he's pushed in his lane, I have a deepward, I have ultimate, after I'm done, he only has a broken keyboard.

You just roam and cut his throat, rather simple. Works for pretty much all ADC's. Snowball your advantage, ram that advantage down his throat, prevent him from playing the game.

Riven [sg-soraka]

I seem to remember a certain Dragonblade Riven meme from that skins release that feels so appropriate here.

seachrome4 votes

remember the whole "Don't nerf the champ before you nerf the item" rule? With ardent censer as it is even now its not easy to tell how much of this is twitch and how much is the item. While hes probably still above the curve, nerfing him before ardent would be a terrible mistake and would very likely to over nerf him. Riot is taking the smart approach to the current status of most ADC's including twitch and waiting until the item nerfs come through to figure out where they lie on the power curve.

RocketRelm1 votes

insert obligatory it's not because of the rules, it's because the victims would be adcs comment here

Hexs Fortune3 votes

They are waiting for runes reforged before making any changes

Swarovsko7 votes

We have been waiting a year for Twitch nerfs, ofc now they're gonna use runes reforged as an excuse for their incompetence

Leonerdo2 votes

Pick Xayah and Rakan, then just kill him. Twitch is only oppressive if no one is exploiting his weakness before 1-2 items.

PrinceOfStorms4 votes

The fact that any ADC is strong before 4 items is a problem.

Leonerdo1 votes

That's pushing it a little far. Most games end before anyone has 4 items.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

He will probably be nerfed after worlds end and they have had the time to "think".

It's usually how things go.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

What does it matter? You'll just move on to spam threads on the next champ you hate. Regardless, i support twitch nerfs (taking away AD from his ult is a good idea IMO)

undesirable team2 votes

he's been broken for a whole season now lol

MysticDreams121 votes

I'm tired of having to ban all the extremely obnoxious champions on top of my perma banner- Zed. But Riot is such a AD lover they don't nerf at all or barely give em love taps.

So over it!

FCJAAAAGOOOO1 votes

The only champ I consistently ban due to complete helplessness of victory if a good one is on the other team and I have any bad teammates is Vanye West. If someone on my team is picking her I ban someone else, usually an AoE burst mage like Annie or Brand. Pubs are pubs, man, and these champions are exactly what sink the Elo boat.

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