@Riot, You guys gave Sona Urf mode. 85% cooldown, wtf?

Zerenza··3 votes·2,749 views

Sona's damage may have been nerfed but the passive on her R gives 40% cooldown at max rank, it doesn't COMPLETELY stack with itemization but it does go up to 67%. Because of this her heal lets her out sustain tanks and her Q let's her out damage ADC's, i literally saw Pants Are Dragon do it when he decided to pick her up having never played her before. Her winrate shot up in almost 12 hours to 58% and it isn't stopping, it keeps going. Her E's movement speed increase is absolutely ridiculous now, it's like she's driving a car around the map now and i'v seen the PBE nerfs. Not enough, the 67% cooldown she gets is what the problem is.

Now, i'd honestly like to know who's great idea it was to give her passive CDR that stacks with normal CDR, even if it doesn't completely stack, 23% above the cap is a lot. It puts most of her ability's on a 2 second cooldown and her item path makes her mana problems from spamming almost unnoticeable.

Edit: I was wrong with my initial post, i have corrected it, i couldn't correct the title though so i fixed the body.

32 Comments

TheThundersRoar4 votes

Without discussing the balance state of Sona, you're wrong about the 85% CDR.

Her ultimate and item CDR stack multiplicatively, not additively.

Her max CDR is 1 - (1-0.4)*(1-0.45) = 0.67 = 67%.

Zerenza1 votes

Thats still pretty ridiculous, the fact she even get's 67% CDR is stupid, no one else get's that. No one else CAN get that. The cap is 45% for a reason, because if it isn't it breaks the game. She's doing a pretty good job of breaking the game right now.

WukongMain2 votes

oh boy it's ridiculous for a champion to be unique. Q_Q.

PhDs Nuts4 votes

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oh boy it's ridiculous for a champion to be unique. Q_Q.

There's nothing unique about short cooldowns. It's just oppressive.

WukongMain1 votes

Is that why a lot of people are complaining she's too weak right now? and that they gutted her?

Did you look at the other changes outside of this cdr bonus her ultimate gives?

Zerenza1 votes

She obviously isn't weak, a 58% winrate is not something that says weak, a challenger player in the top fking 50 maining her because and i quote "She's fking busted"does not mean weak. Pants are Dragon is a jungle main and just because of sona being completely broken he's maining her. You can litterally go watch her out damage full build ADC's and out tank full build juggernauts just because of cooldowns being 2 seconds long.

WukongMain1 votes

So...Have some skill? Pick some hard cc. hard cc her. Burst her down.

Oh, i'm sorry. It's probably hard for someone so closed minded like you to have skill... I can see why you're thinking the way you are.

Zerenza3 votes

Look, I'm not taking shots at you. You don't have to do it to me, what i care about is the crucial fact, THE CRUCIAL FACT that her winrate sky rocketed in 12 hours after this update. Pros are saying she's OP, maining her and playing her because she's busted, a rioter literally said that it's worrying to see her winrate skyrocket like that and that they need to look into it.

Whether you think she's broken or not, whether you think she STILL needs a buff. The people that actually matter think she's broken.

Zerenza2 votes

Unique shouldn't be broken, she is unique but 67% CDR? That's stupid the cap is 45%, she has 23% more than the cap just for being sona? That's like if the attack speed cap was removed for vayne.

WukongMain1 votes

Did you know if you cc someone, All the cdr in the world cant save them? Just pick someone like Leona.

Hey look! they even buffed Leona in the same patch! It's almost like they're trying to make support take more skill in what champions they pick. Oh they picked Sona? i should probably counter pick that with a hard-engage Leona.

Ohh they banned leona? They're probably going to pick Sona...Maybe we should ban/pick Sona before they can?

Poske1 votes

Kog maw would like to have a word with his attackspeed

Dont get me wrong

I fully agree that Sona is fking OP ... But i am fine with her being spam stance bot

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Kog maw would like to have a word with his attackspeed

Dont get me wrong

I fully agree that Sona is fking OP ... But i am fine with her being spam stance bot

Kog'maw doesn't passively defy the attackspeed limit.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

{quoted}

Without discussing the balance state of Sona, you're wrong about the 85% CDR.

Her ultimate and item CDR stack multiplicatively, not additively.

Her max CDR is 1 - (1-0.4)*(1-0.45) = 0.67 = 67%.

This.

Zerenza1 votes

67% is still stupid the cap is 45% she has 23% more CDR than is actually allowed on EVERY OTHER champion in the game an the worst part is how spamable her kit is.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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67% is still stupid the cap is 45% she has 23% more CDR than is actually allowed on EVERY OTHER champion in the game an the worst part is how spamable her kit is.

I'm agreeing with the math, not with how "balanced" she is.

nami tf2 votes

Soraka master sup

Marshbouy2 votes

your post is true but that math is flawed. Prepare for the downvotes for DARING TO TOUCH THEIR POOR SONA.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zerenza1 votes

I should probably correct it.

Marshbouy1 votes

i would if i were you, just do the cross out thing or state that you initially were incorrect

Zone of Endless1 votes

CDR not additive I'm pretty sure.

Anyway they're already tuning some numbers on PBE. Hopefully they don't overdo it too much that she's barely playable.

Zerenza2 votes

She wasn't barely playable before, she had a 53% winrate. I just wish she didn't get such a huge buff to her CDR i mean seriously the guy above said its multiplicative, putting her 67% CDR, thats still pretty stupid considering the cap is supposed to be 45%.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

and then you realize that her Ult CD isn't reduced just her basic abilities CD and then you realize that she is still gated by mana unlike her URF form which she gives no damn about spamming abilities

Zerenza2 votes

The mana regen and extra mana she gets from her item path nullifies this.

Sona x Rubick2 votes

the mana regen isn't stronger than the cooldown, which means that you're going to end up oom unless you wait between your rotation.

in genral your thread hides a lot of fact, she gains 67% cooldown not 85%, and it's at lvl 16 not at lvl 1 (like in urf).

though i'm starting to question myself why they added this passive, she really didn't need this.

Zerenza1 votes

I didnt really have much mana problems when i played her before the buffs btw i did correct it and post an edit at the bottom.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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The mana regen and extra mana she gets from her item path nullifies this.

yeah, it nullifies it so much that she can just spam like she is in URF mode..... sorry but please learn the damn game since you obviously have no idea how regen works. She isn't going to get 500 mana in 2 seconds, she isn't going to go from empty to full in mere seconds. If she spams her abilities like she is URF Sona she WILL run out of mana and she WILL need to have some time before she is able to use her spells again. URF Sona is not this, URF Sona will just spam her abilities nonstop since she gives no damn about resource management. You can build pure mana regen and you will still need to manage your resources outside of URF

Marshbouy2 votes

yeah cause you have no mana gen when your core items are item 3174 and item 3092

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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yeah cause you have no mana gen when your core items are item 3174 and item 3092

yeah because i forgot that she can get hundreds and hundreds of mana in mere seconds. She can get her mana back if she actually waits not if she is spamming like she is URF Sona. Sona doesn't have a huge mana pool and no matter how much regen you build you will run out and will need to wait for it to fill back up leaving you vulnerable for being an idiot and thinking that building a few mana regen items means you are manaless

Marshbouy1 votes

hundreds of mana? maybe you shouldn't faceroll your keyboard. in a bot lane trade you spam spells, outside of that you wait for your mana to regen.

stop trying to defend busted ass sona.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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hundreds of mana? maybe you shouldn't faceroll your keyboard. in a bot lane trade you spam spells, outside of that you wait for your mana to regen.

stop trying to defend busted ass sona.

who says i'm defending her? i am calling the BS of people saying "she is URF Sona now" since they have NO IDEA what URF Sona does if they think that a champion that needs to reach lvl 16 to even remotely be close to URF Sona and that still needs to watch her mana management is the same as something that can just spam spells without any regard AT LVL 1 AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE!

LadyRenly1 votes

sona is still heavily susceptible to burst. no amount of cdr will save her from nukes

Zerenza1 votes

Until the late game where her item path gives her 100+ bonus tank stats.

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