Put Akali's healing on her passive if it's going to be removed from Q

Moody P·Jan 29, 2019·38 votes·10,047 views

I can understand the reasoning for it (relatively low-interaction healing, kind of obnoxious when she has the numbers to burst heal for quite a lot) but nerfing one of Akali's only survival tools to the point she can't tower dive with it and then removing the other one is just not fair.

My suggestion is something that encourages a little more interaction and plays naturally into her more drawn-out fight pattern;

Akali heals for X amount when she strikes a champion with her passive. Additional procs within Z seconds boost the healing by Y%.

Something like this gives Akali clear incentive to go for longer trades to max out her healing, which gives opponents more time to do their own damage or back off and deny her the healing altogether. It would be a nice nod to her old passive, too, which I think is always nice.

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Akali is SO HOTJan 29, 201917 votes

Don't forget to give her %max hp true damage whenever she heals

Moody PJan 29, 201910 votes

and +5 ms

Akali is SO HOTJan 29, 20198 votes

+5 ms is the only buff that could make her viable

ZardoJan 29, 20191 votes

Wait what? Who downvoted you lol

DMate19Jan 30, 20191 votes

6 people now

The thigh guyJan 29, 201914 votes

No. She doesn’t need everything in the game.

Irelia BotJan 29, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HiX7d43F,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-29T01:46:10.700+0000)

No. She doesn’t need everything in the game.

And Kayne doesn't need red or blue form but here we are.

Be careful calling for major nerfs. They tend to go around and the champs you play are not exempt. And riot is literally in a mood to delete things from kits right now.

The thigh guyJan 29, 20197 votes

[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HiX7d43F,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-29T02:40:41.345+0000)

And Kayne doesn't need red or blue form but here we are.

Be careful calling for major nerfs. They tend to go around and the champs you play are not exempt. And riot is literally in a mood to delete things from kits right now.

Um. Kayn is like .7 of s champion before those xD. Akali litteraly has everything in her kit outside of an absurd amount of true damage.

Irelia BotJan 29, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HiX7d43F,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-29T03:32:58.322+0000)

Um. Kayn is like .7 of s champion before those xD. Akali litteraly has everything in her kit outside of an absurd amount of true damage.

Where is the hard CC?

The thigh guyJan 29, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HiX7d43F,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-29T03:38:14.166+0000)

Where is the hard CC?

Micro stun is technically hard cc.

FouczJan 29, 20191 votes

to be fair i belive if you upped numbers on base kayn it could totally function without transformations

QivuJan 29, 201910 votes

nah remove it she cant have everything who cares if she 'always had it' holy fuck thats how champs stay broken because everyone wants them to keep things they always had as if that wouldnt be a part of the reason why shes so cancer

NetorareJan 29, 20198 votes

Akali doesn't need sustain since all other assassins have none.

TimuxJan 29, 20196 votes

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Akali doesn't need sustain since all other assassins have none.

Accordong to wiki of lol these champs are assassins and have a heal in their kit:

Khazix - W heals if he is close to explosion Pyke - Passive gives him huge HP regen based on damage taken if nobody see him. Rengar - W heals simmilar to tahm shield based on gray hp Talon - Q heals after killing an unit Nocturne - Passive also heals beside of doing aoe damage

I could miss some, if i did coment.

Sire HippingtonJan 29, 20194 votes

Evelynn heals on her passive similar to pyke Ekko heal on ult ( Kassadin shield on Q)

And that's just the 'official' assasins, there are plenty diver/burstmage/slayer champs that one could reffere to as assasin given how they play, like Irelia(who has a heal on her Q)

ChaddyFantomeJan 29, 20193 votes

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Accordong to wiki of lol these champs are assassins and have a heal in their kit:

- W heals if he is close to explosion - Passive gives him huge HP regen based on damage taken if nobody see him. - W heals simmilar to tahm shield based on gray hp - Q heals after killing an unit - Passive also heals beside of doing aoe damage

I could miss some, if i did coment.

KhaZix Heal only exists to help him jungle, it has no practical use outside of that.

Pyke's heal is universally agreed to be cancer.

Rengar's exists because he is a Bruiser/Assassin hybrid. he uses it to make up for the fact he has no escape.

Nocturne is a diver, not an assassin.

Talon's Heal is flat, miniscule and only exists to Punish Talon not help him. It force shim to Q minions in lane to burn Mana so he gets forced out of lan faster if his enemy poke shim properly.

Weiss GuertenaJan 29, 20193 votes

Other assassins don't need sustain since they kill way faster than Akali does.

GaliöJan 29, 20197 votes

Akali is gunna be the hardcore 35% winrate champion after these changes. The mains and one tricks may make it to 47%

It's a shame tbh though

Shiroe OkazakiJan 29, 20191 votes

If she's not perma banned after. People could have time to pick her up and get good with her. She still has her damage. Just less utility

IP MasquerenaJan 29, 20197 votes

What damage?

Having the highest TTK of all assassins and burst mages kinda proves she doesn't have damage.

What Zed, Lux and many others can do in 2 sec she needs 6+ sec and playing the minigame of her passive.

The W was the only thing allowing her to dive, now she's the only assassin that can't dive. The healing allowed her to lane because she had no burst.

MoonscourgeJan 29, 20193 votes

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What damage?

Having the highest TTK of all assassins and burst mages kinda proves she doesn't have damage.

What Zed, Lux and many others can do in 2 sec she needs 6+ sec and playing the minigame of her passive.

The W was the only thing allowing her to dive, now she's the only assassin that can't dive. The healing allowed her to lane because she had no burst.

I made a list on another thread pointing out to somebody who claimed that assassins shouldn't have heals, that in fact ALL assassins have a form of heal or damage mitigation, except for Akali. Or that she has the same burst pattern as the LB rework, which was quickly reverted for being god awful.

Downvoted to hell and back

GaliöJan 29, 20193 votes

Her damage isnt all that high, compared to most champs let alone assassins. It can get really high 3 items in, but that's every champion (even current marksmen).

OzzburneJan 30, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shiroe Okazaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HiX7d43F,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-01-29T05:08:58.232+0000)

If she's not perma banned after. People could have time to pick her up and get good with her. She still has her damage. Just less utility

Her damage is less than most other assassins, that’s why she has the utility. If you remove the utility you just have a shitty assassin that takes 3 seconds to kill someone instead of .5 seconds like every other one.

Anchorit WracajJan 29, 20191 votes

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Akali is gunna be the hardcore 35% winrate champion after these changes. The mains and one tricks may make it to 47%

;p

It's a shame tbh though

So its a shame that 46.4% Win rate,64.7% BAN RATE,12.7% pick rate. Champion is getting nerfs,so akali can be finnaly in PLAYABLE state,cause everybody is straight banning her? Yes,she needs nerf so she can be playable,because of how strong and toxic she is.She can't get picked by akali mains and one tricks cause SHE IS BANNED EVERY SINGLE GAME. It seems like for one tricks she will still be OP AF.And they will have chance to play her.

KarfussJan 29, 20191 votes

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So its a shame that 46.4% Win rate,64.7% BAN RATE,12.7% pick rate. Champion is getting nerfs,so akali can be finnaly in PLAYABLE state,cause everybody is straight banning her? Yes,she needs nerf so she can be playable,because of how strong and toxic she is.She can't get picked by akali mains and one tricks cause SHE IS BANNED EVERY SINGLE GAME. It seems like for one tricks she will still be OP AF.And they will have chance to play her.

And that's the gist of it.

Playerbase: "64.7% ban rate." Riot: "Okay we'll do something." Board's resident Akali mains: :O

This is the Lee Sin dilemma all over again. Broken and overloaded champion, with an absurd ban rate existing because she is broken and overloaded, yet too popular to be touched. When they eventually are... Commence the outrage. 3 months later, Boards gets collective amnesia and forgets this was even a thing.

Anchorit WracajJan 29, 20191 votes

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And that's the gist of it.

Playerbase: "64.7% ban rate." Riot: "Okay we'll do something." Board's resident Akali mains: :O

This is the Lee Sin dilemma all over again. Broken and overloaded champion, with an absurd ban rate existing because she is broken and overloaded, yet too popular to be touched. When they eventually are... Commence the outrage. 3 months later, Boards gets collective amnesia and forgets this was even a thing.

The champions that have HIGH pick rates,and HIGH ban rates. Need to have lower winrate. If champion have high pickrate,high banrate,and high winrate..WHY IS IT? Cause he is fking broken and overpowered. Then its just a chase for champion beucase he is instawinning the game. But board don't understand that.So yeah,Akali needs a nerf,this wont be enough still.

BestPudgeNAJan 29, 20197 votes

No actually fucking nerf the champ

She has been 80% presence in Master Tier and Pro play since her release

She is incredible busted it's time for a meaningful nerf not some powershifting bullshit

FNC JinxJan 29, 20196 votes

Yeah. Let's also give Talon, Zed, Fizz and Yasuo healing on their passive because OMG THEY CAN'T TOWER DIVE EASILY VERY UNFAIR ;______;

Can't believe there's actually some people that are suffering and sad that a character build around broken concepts is finally being brought down to an acceptable level.

GigglesOJan 29, 20193 votes

Morde doesn't have enough movement speed to tower dive, lets give him 10-50 (based on level) extra armor for being under the enemy's tower while we are at it.

HethaleanJan 29, 20195 votes

Also make it root, and since you took away obscure from her W, just staple that onto her passive whenever she strikes, she is obscured for 3 seconds. I mean why take things away when you should really just stuff it on her passive.

Move her healing from a 1 time proc to something she can proc 6-7 times with just one combo? that's definitely taking some of her cancer away.

Moody PJan 29, 20199 votes

hysterical exaggeration is not a valid argument

moving her healing from being 100% loaded on something you can't counterplay to something that can be very easily played around is definitely making the champion more reasonable to deal with.

HethaleanJan 29, 201910 votes

And saying move it to her passive so you can proc it more frequently, and also give it a % healing boost isn't hysterical exaggeration? I was just playing the game I thought was put down by the post. Esepceially when you hinted that putting it on her passive somehow made it somehow in the hands of the people Akali is hitting (who has a MS boost TOWARDS people she proced for her passive, and a lot of dashes, and when her passive basically adds an additional melee attack range on top of her existing AA range) It seemed pretty hyperbolic already.

MrHaZeYoJan 29, 201914 votes

Her healing has always been apart of her theme though. So completely removing it seems wrong.

HethaleanJan 29, 20197 votes

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Her healing has always been apart of her theme though. So completely removing it seems wrong.

She also lost her mobility which was entirely aggressive in it's nature. You couldn't use it to get away. It was targeted against enemies (so not jax Q). She lost that style of mobility and that was part of her identity. Just mindless stickiness that required no skill to execute.

She gained a LOT from the rework, people just seem unhappy to let any of it go.

BârdJan 29, 20191 votes

It's not 100% aggro anymore, but it's kinda core to her damage output.

Besides, ever since they added shroud hopping she had some defensive mobility.

saltranJan 29, 20193 votes

Nah, just nerf her.

Axcell SkyburstJan 29, 20192 votes

yeh she kida needs the healing on her q

BârdJan 29, 20192 votes

Maybe, but don't make it amp up with more procs.

If tank Akali becomes meta one more time...

Serika ZeroJan 29, 20192 votes

Revert the rework 😉

DragonSheaJan 29, 20192 votes

Wow look at those downvotes at jokes, the boards can take shit at all but love to heap it at Riot.

LaçezJan 29, 20192 votes

Yh went a bit too far removing the healing, that was really important for her laning phase. I don't even play Akali & I know that...

SamaHamraJan 29, 20191 votes

So something to add onto her enhanced AA? ooh basically make it into a sylas w but better, more damage + healing I like it [slayer-jinx-unamused]

ParoeJan 29, 20191 votes

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So something to add onto her enhanced AA? ooh basically make it into a sylas w but better, more damage + healing I like it [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Yes, because sylas is so totally mega broken OP OP and totally isnt the same strength as Camille with 1500 less HP.

Meanwhile Akali needs her W and Q to be effective, and has clear explicit counterplay on how to deal with her.

Warlord RhinarkJan 29, 20191 votes

Make the Energy restore on it actually impactful too and you have my support.

OrangeMarineJan 29, 20191 votes

but nerfing one of Akali's only survival tools to the point she can't tower dive with it

what is this shit. Hmm, undetectable in cloud which lasts an absurd amount of time and also works under tower. Hmm ult with 2 dashes...hmmm E another dash? Yeah not many survival tools there huh

ohh noooooo she cant tower dive with zero risk anymore

Please don't even suggest balance again

MoonscourgeJan 29, 20191 votes

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what is this shit. Hmm, undetectable in cloud which lasts an absurd amount of time and also works under tower. Hmm ult with 2 dashes...hmmm E another dash? Yeah not many survival tools there huh

ohh noooooo she cant tower dive with zero risk anymore

Please don't even suggest balance again

Even before the first round of nerfs to it you could never unstealth under a turret without eating spells, autos and a turret shot so your point is straight up trash.

OrangeMarineJan 30, 20191 votes

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Even before the first round of nerfs to it you could never unstealth under a turret without eating spells, autos and a turret shot so your point is straight up trash.

righttttt because she has to stay in range of the tower to use Q (range btw), E (dashes out of range by the way), or Q, take a shot, stealth, wait for Q, Q R R E out?

she has so many dashes and tools at her disposal, W acts as a cooldown reset (which is why its such bullshit since you can only Maybe hit her if u have AoE spells, a big maybe), she has enough.

defend her all u want, her ban rate and the incoming BIG nerfs are clear indications she's OP / overloaded. Even pro's straight up admit she's OP. End of discussion.

OzzburneJan 30, 20191 votes

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what is this shit. Hmm, undetectable in cloud which lasts an absurd amount of time and also works under tower. Hmm ult with 2 dashes...hmmm E another dash? Yeah not many survival tools there huh

ohh noooooo she cant tower dive with zero risk anymore

Please don't even suggest balance again

It doesn’t work under tower in this discussion they are removing it. That’s like the entire basis of the argument that removing both the true stealth and her healing is overkill. Please pay attention.

rayzoJan 29, 20191 votes

how about we just gut her and keep her in the gutter nobody wants her to be good, evident by her 58% banrate right now