China realizes how broken Vayne is right now

FalconPawwwwnch··51 votes·4,565 views

Considering she's picked/banned in every game in LPL currently

Why can't you guys realize she's broken?

60 Comments

KingGrunkus23 votes

she isnt picked or banned in every korean game. its when the koreans go crazy that you have to worry :P

FalconPawwwwnch5 votes

LPL is china not korea

Go look at the LPL currently, vayne is prioritized in almost every game

360D3GR3SS1 votes

Could you link the stats, i only foud vayne being picked 3 times here :http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/2015_LPL/Spring/Regular_Season/Picks_and_Bans which is prob the wrong season.

vonGroopah3 votes

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she isnt picked or banned in every korean game. its when the koreans go crazy that you have to worry :P

china is the fabbbyyy of korea

HaIlMonitor12 votes

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she isnt picked or banned in every korean game. its when the koreans go crazy that you have to worry :P

China has better adc's just worst over all teams.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

Since Imp and Deft are the best adc's in China right now, I'm gonna have to disagree with that statement.

Divewing1 votes

Koreans don't like ADCs without dashes. If Vayne and Kog weren't late game gods, they probably wouldn't get touched. It took SKT playing against Jinx almost every MSI game before she began to get popular in Korea

MLDzXnRRR7 votes

She got indirectly buffed many times - BORK changes, BT changes, PD changes, Sated... Now they are nerfing the armor items.

JQKAndrei1 votes

Wasn't bork nerfed last time?

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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Wasn't bork nerfed last time?

Bork was nerfed in 5.22. You are necroing a thread :D Many Vaynes don't buy BORK now at all...

JQKAndrei1 votes

oh fk. Anyway bork is still pretty core on vayne.

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Vayne

Goodest Gamer6 votes

"how broken vayne is right now". when was vayne considered not broken? shes been in the top 3 since creation. every nerf has done nothing to her. every adc besides her has been nerfed to oblivion to the fact that an evenly skilled cait vs a vayne is still going to get raped in a 1v1.

TheVishual5 votes

Been saying this for three patches but people are in denial...

Vayne is easy to play people and easy to get to late game now because of nerfs to lane bullies. NA is always months behind when it comes to OP champs so I'm not surprised

Kuroi864 votes

Except she's not broken. Broken either means something not working correctly or so powerful it's literally game breaking.

Vayne isn't broken. She's in a very powerful spot due to her strong counters being nerfed and falling out of favor, thus she rises in the meta. Eventually she'll either see a minor nerf (See: Gutted) or one of her counters will get picked up/get a minor buff and she'll get slapped around some and people will move on to cry about something else.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

True damage is stupid, change it to either physical damage or magic damage.

Kuroi861 votes

Making it either physical or magical damage means tanks are going to start laughing her off, meanwhile she will still be as strong against squishy champions.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

That's only partially true.. Every champion has base resists. Which automatically means that it would do less than her true damage currently does. If they made it magic damage you would have to hybrid resist itemize against her. But that's still better than being able to do nothing against her.

Kuroi861 votes

Tanky champs build more resists than squishies, meaning the damage would take a bigger hit. The point is for her Silver Bolts to effectively make her a tank buster. Which is fine. The issue is that she is also very powerful against squishy champions. The idea here is to suggest meaningful ways to reduce her effectiveness against squishy champs while leaving her ability as a tank buster intact. Shifting her Silver Bolt proc away from true damage wouldn't do that, it would simply be an over all nerf.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

Her true damage is a problem as a whole. Making it so that one team doesnt have a front line is stupid XD Maybe if her silver bolts had a cool down or something per target it would be balanced.

Kuroi861 votes

The "cooldown" is how long it takes her to get off three autos. Besides that, it doesn't fully negate the front line. For Vayne to get in range of said front liners means she is well within range for most hard engage champs to jump her.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

It doesnt take long to get off three autos at all. Let's say she didnt even max attack speed, let's say it's at 2.0 . The cooldown would effectively be 1.5 seconds.. not to mention she can auto reset with tumble and apply her last proc with a tumble. It's not even just her true damage, she also has more self peel than any other adc. Plus due to her passive if she wants to fight you, she's going to fight you. If you chase her and she doesnt want to fight then she'll condemn tumble away.. unless you're in the jungle in which case she condemns and kills you. Also armor is taking a nerf this coming patch which is just going to give her more power. But okay, You tell me.. Why do you think there are no problems with her kit? Or if you think there are problems, then what are they?

oreosauce3 votes

She's not broken and I wish people would just STOP SAYING THAT. Her early game is weak and she is one of the hardest ADC's to play. She's a high risk high reward champion; many champions are. If she gives up more than 2 kills then she's completely useless in game. It just so happens that everyone is salty af and immediately give up when Vayne gets a kill or is even in the game, and no one even tries to prioritize ccing her

FalconPawwwwnch6 votes

There is no risk to picking Vayne currently

See professional Chinese play

Keep denying she's broken, her stats don't lie

Shockforce4 votes

I think she has been strong since they buffed her ult and attack speed scaling a few months back.

She has decent laning when it comes to early 1v1 or 2v1

And the argument about her weak early game does not work anymore because the supports now are so strong they make up for her mediocre early 2v2.

However, is she better than Tristana or Sivir? Not really sure. But, there is a part of it that is just jumping onto the hype train.

magic pole1 votes

agrreed, put her with this other OP bot laner (Thresh ) and her "weakness" is gone

Poske1 votes

People actually can play vayne there

You have to keep in mind that this bunch of low elos are crying eventhough vayne is nothing in their elo

Auz the Ripper4 votes

Vayne has the highest pickrate in all tiers below diamond and still has a positive winrate in all of them

Even Lee sin, God-king of being-complained-about, has never managed that

ElegantDoge1 votes

Dude stop saying BROKEN it's the wrong word.Broken means she's either so powerful that's she breaking the game (see xin zhao at his release) or that's she's bugged as hell and unplayable.She's strong right now,i don't deny it and i really believe her true damage should be nerfed,but she's far from "broken".

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

xin zhao? May I direct you to old jax? :P

ElegantDoge1 votes

It was just an example,but yeah ...i wasn't playing at this time,but i've seen videos of jax with 3-4 phantom dancer killing people in fountain xD

Kingopants15 votes

What is with this weak early game thing people keep shitposting everywhere. Seriously, just because something is posted somewhere doesn't mean its true, otherwise I would have autism from my vaccines and would lock my framerate to 24hz since my eyes aren't good enough for any more.

Koldheartedjsp3 votes

this. just because one or two kids say lee sin and yasuo are easy doesn't mean they're actually easy.

Vayne is in no way weak. Sure, she may not be able to straight up 1v1 most other adcs at lvl 1, but... that don't last long

ShadowParker2 votes

Vayne's early game isn't that bad. But it's not also that strong either. Compared to other adc's she lacks the poke that's needed. But in duels, she'll always win.

I do agree she needs her early game nerfed a bit though.

Narasimha1 votes

It's not weak in the sense that you can instakill her at level 2. It's weak in the sense that she has no way of returning fire without a serious engage. She can't retaliate against poke, which is why supports like Sona, Zyra, and Thresh are great threats to her. Her AA range is 550, and she has no method of interacting with people outside of that.

Meeks0112 votes

Everybody listen to this guy, he obviously knows better than the Chinese.

Hard to play my ass, she has no skillshots and she has two methods of self-peel. She can dash away then knock you back, sometimes stunning you.

gives up more than 2 kills

I was jungling as Vayne and like 1/5 then I got two 1v3 triple kills in a row with Sated and BotRK. Really weak early game and "useless when feeding" there.

Biffolo1 votes

If the other team didn't end the game off you being 1-5 within like 25 minutes they deserve to lose to sated vayne.

Beoridas3 votes

Riot said there is things they could look about her. But she became in that state primarily because they nerfed Lucian Corki Jinx Sivir Graves.

Then hyper carries became more of a thing. KogMaw Twitch

Im not sure but they are buffing lucian next patch. and rework ad items. perhaps that will change something about her?

Also, on a final note: Riot said they are fine with her overall for the reason that she doesnt bring any tool or utility to them team:shes a self centered adc that only benefits herself and her combat. unlike: Ashe Sivir Ezreal MissFortune

SlaktarTasken1 votes

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Riot said there is things they could look about her. But she became in that state primarily because they nerfed Lucian Corki Jinx Sivir Graves.

Then hyper carries became more of a thing. KogMaw Twitch

Im not sure but they are buffing lucian next patch. and rework ad items. perhaps that will change something about her?

Also, on a final note: Riot said they are fine with her overall for the reason that she doesnt bring any tool or utility to them team:shes a self centered adc that only benefits herself and her combat. unlike: Ashe Sivir Ezreal MissFortune

As far as Lucian goes, they are buffing his mid and lategame and adding some utility to him. The problem is that he is already practically useless against vayne thx to her retarded tumble for free auto abuse and because supports are quite strong atm, thus able to keep vayne safe during her "weak" early.

What he needs is to have is his early game buffed not his mid/lategame, I would gladly take 35-40% early and stay with 50% late, as opposed to the 30% his passive currently gives him, to profile him as the early game bully he is supposed to be, instead of buffing his lategame. It is pointless because no matter how well he does he will always get outscaled by her due to silver bolts true dmg bs, just like every other counterable adc (all of them).

As for the current state of Vayne, I'm so forking fed up seeing her just about every goddamn game here on EUW, in the last 40-50 games I've played I can literally count on one hand the ammount of times Vayne has NOT been in the game. The lack of diversity is making the game forking boring.

Orangesilk2 votes

She has a solid wall-stun, which is a LOT more than what MF has to offer to her team.

Remlap12231 votes

Right, because an AOE slow and huge combo potential isn't contributing shit to her team.

I know boards worship yolo queue, but come on.

vonGroopah2 votes

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Riot said there is things they could look about her. But she became in that state primarily because they nerfed Lucian Corki Jinx Sivir Graves.

Then hyper carries became more of a thing. KogMaw Twitch

Im not sure but they are buffing lucian next patch. and rework ad items. perhaps that will change something about her?

Also, on a final note: Riot said they are fine with her overall for the reason that she doesnt bring any tool or utility to them team:shes a self centered adc that only benefits herself and her combat. unlike: Ashe Sivir Ezreal MissFortune

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WeiseAzir1 votes

twitch a hypercarry? you are so precious.....

InsaneSamurai3 votes

She's one of the Riot protected champs, so she will likely never be nerfed out of top tier.

thumbnail92 votes

IMO Trist and Kog are still better late game then she is.

As for why she is picked a lot in LPL most the ADC's there were Vayne mains back when you had to play her vs Zed. It will probably change once carry top laners come back. So carry your red trinkets kiddies.

And win till gauge comes.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I think I would easily trade Kog'Maw or Tristana's superior late game, just to know that their early game is much more safe and even pretty strong in the right hands.

WolfChases2 votes

They know Vayne is OP but they just wont admit it because of FREELO.

Big Lincoln2 votes

dont you mean she's

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Bronzoid2 votes

Wait, they just now realized it?She's been broken for months (actually years depending on how you look at it)

Daxanater1 votes

Well i'm not understanding the post but if they nerf her, all tanks will be too comfortable to destroy her.

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