Irelia should not have a 3in1 steroid

Moody P·May 28, 2019·2 votes·1,515 views

Respectable base damage that has an innate attack speed steroid to apply itself more, that also scales with more damage she buys which feeds into her innate attack speed. And its also magic damage, so counter building against her requires more items. Irelia is never irrelevant because her passive gives her everything she needs except for waveclear.

Given that Irelia has returned to being overbearing its about time this ridiculous passive loses one of its three scaling components.

13 Comments

DuskDaUmbreonMay 28, 20194 votes

You mean like Darius's passive, which scales with AD, gives him AD at max stacks, and does a strong DPS that refreshes Conqueror?

I get that you hate Irelia for reasons unknown, but a champion who doesn't even reach 49% winrate at any non-coordinated tier and just barely hits 50% in proplay doesn't need further nerfs, you just need to actually learn to deal with said champion.

To put it simply: Irelia doesn't need nerfs, you need to git gud

Moody PMay 28, 20191 votes

bleed is not a steroid.

muh winrate

Do you ever consider how rarely high elo players actually source winrate unless it's obviously out of line and will either use the champions pick/ban or just tell you up front that a champion is busted? Win rate is the weakest indication of strength.

DuskDaUmbreonMay 28, 20191 votes

Okay. Sure. Winrate isn't always 100% reliable, since it doesn't tell the bigger picture. But just like a champion with a huge winrate still shows a problem, one with a fucking 47% average winrate shows the champion is clearly not OP. Winrate might not be ideal, but it still gives a pretty fucking good idea of strength, and, I'm sorry, but you cannot legitimately claim that a 47% average soloQ champion with a 50% proplay winrate is OP, especially when nothing they do warps the meta in any way.

And, sure, the bleed isn't a steroid. But it has the exact same number of effects as her passive and all are beneficial to Darius. Are you really going to argue his passive isn't the same tier as hers because his fucking bleed is a debuff to the opponent while hers gives her a damage boost? That's fucking nonsensical, since it's still a fucking benefit to him either way. You're just fucking arguing semantics at that point. Argue the strength of the passives or whatever, but at least make an actual fucking argument rather than "lel bleed not buff it debuff hurr durr"

Moody PMay 28, 20191 votes

Ryze had a 22% winrate at a recent pro tournament, but you would get laughed out of the room asking for buff. Again; winrate is the weakest indication of strength especially when Irelia has consistently been a target of boards and high elo complaints despite only having a winrate in the 46-48% range. Champion presence matters more. Irelia has a pick rate that ranges between 15 and 25% to Masters and a ban rate that goes as high as 30%. If I recall correctly the only champions who exceed Irelia in either are Riven or Aatrox.

Or, using Darius, he has a 55% win rate in Masters and I 52% in Diamond. If that were the only stat you used you would say "well, Darius is incredibly OP in high elo!" But most people who outrank me tell me he's either fine or they still consider him weak. You leave out a lot of information by not noticing his pick rate is a fourth of Irelia's with half the ban rate.

Win rate is not important unless it's extremely out of line with what the champion is normally considered "balanced" around. Irelia is a champion who is generally considered balanced with a low winrate for the average player.

Irelia BotMay 28, 20192 votes

Noxian Might is a really strong steroid also requiring 5 stacks so better nerf Darius. Not even mentioning the bleed.

As for win rate it is an indication of how the average player will actually preform and not the fringe fakers.

I should copyright the term "fringe Faker"

RagnaveilMay 28, 20192 votes

I mean, i'd rather deal with Irelia than Neeko who takes half my health every time I try to even farm vs her in toplane. And its just fine and dandy apparently.

KesEmakkMay 28, 20192 votes

Meanwhile, worships ct's champs who are like as overloaded as Irelia, and probably even 3 times more overloaded than Irelia.

LOOK MA! I'M A HYPOCRITE! HA! HA! HA!

Hayaishi2May 28, 20191 votes

It literally takes her 5 stacks for it to be relevant, there is no way to keep nerfing it anymore while keeping it relevant. Irelia is unfixable.

kingDeDeDariusMay 28, 20191 votes

Except unlike someone like Darius, she is hyper, and I mean HYPER, mobile intra fights, and has far better target access and can outplay almost any opponent with ease, even counters. Not to mention, she can stack passive in mind and monsters unlike Darius, which is ridiculous to say the least, considering all of her insane tools and the fact that she might as well be manaless since she never goes oom despite incessant spamming that gives everyone, including teammates headaches.

Hayaishi2May 28, 20193 votes

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Except unlike someone like Darius, she is hyper, and I mean HYPER, mobile intra fights, and has far better target access and can outplay almost any opponent with ease, even counters. Not to mention, she can stack passive in mind and monsters unlike Darius, which is ridiculous to say the least, considering all of her insane tools and the fact that she might as well be manaless since she never goes oom despite incessant spamming that gives everyone, including teammates headaches.

Irelia's passive is different than darius. For starters she does 0 damage without it stacked. She also can't stack it just by basic attacking unlike Darius, but i get it the grass is always greener.

Moody PMay 28, 20191 votes

It just needs to lose one of its several factors. Either its base damage, scaling damage or attack speed has to go. 2 of these is fine and would clearly cement where Irelia is supposed to power spike at. 3 is too much and makes her have kill pressure starting at level 2 and continuing for the entire game.

kingDeDeDariusMay 28, 20191 votes

I agree Moody, tbh, or at least give her reasonable Mana costs. As they are she spams for eternity and might as well be garen except with an otherwise far more favorable power budget. Can't think of many irelias that actually do worse than their lane opponent by the end of the game