Is this a sick joke? Frozen Mallet costs more and gives MELEE autoattacks a 40% slow.
Darius and Jax autoattacking you in melee range deserves the same slow as Kog'Maw spamming his ultimate from 2000 range? How did this idea even become considered?
Rylai's + Wota + Liandry's on the PBE allows champs like Rumble to drain tank champions like Mundo from full HP while shredding them tanks to rylai's + liandrys and kiting them with 40% slows
ZileanUltJesusOP49 votesthey knew it would piss you off so they put it in just for you to make this QQ thread
alfavhunter27 votesSlow was increased, duration was reduced
And contrary to popular belief kog ult is a skill shot, jax AA is a right click
Spells can be blocked or absorbed, the only person who can block an auto attack is pantheon
Am I saying it is a a balanced change? No
But you are comparing apples to oranges, especially considering how consistent an AA can go off VS a spell
Carry23 votesSpells can be blocked or absorbed, the only person who can block an auto attack is pantheon
aaronconlin10 votesTechnically, those are Parry and Dodge
alfavhunter3 votesParry and dodge are not block, but yes there are a few exceptions
But there is also an item that can be built to counter spells, there is no item to stop an AA
Cindikle1 votesFar as I know, neither actually block on hit effects. Just the basic attack damage.
hashinshin1 votesActually block won't stop the frozen mallet slow, but parry and dodge will.
So uh, you know... You're actually so wrong that you're the opposite of right.
alfavhunter1 votesActually block won't stop the frozen mallet slow, but parry and dodge will.
So uh, you know... You're actually so wrong that you're the opposite of right.
Still. Spells have an item built to counter the spell
AAs do not, and there are ~3 champs that can stop an AA to prevent FM slow, when every champion can counter a slow from KC with an item
OyddAWqJ5r17 votesOh look, someone is complaining about something that doesn't even exist yet. Typical. There always has to be at least 1 of these every time Riot says something.
He even took the time to explain how Liandry's isn't supposed to be a tank shredder. It's a health shredder, for those targets with high health and low magic resist. And you really think Rumble's Flamespitter's 4.95% true vamp with WotA (cuz 33% for AoE) is gonna let him leech tank off the enemy tank? Do you really think the 20% slow on it from Rylai's is gonna ruin anyone's day? The answer to both is no.
You obviously didn't comprehend what you read before crying to the boards about how OP your inability to read is.
PoisonedPeace10 votesWhy can there never be actual mature discussion on here without constantly insulting people?
OyddAWqJ5r9 votesIs this a sick joke? Frozen Mallet costs more and gives MELEE autoattacks a 40% slow.
Darius and Jax autoattacking you in melee range deserves the same slow as Kog'Maw spamming his ultimate from 2000 range? How did this idea even become considered?
Reread that. Notice the immature and disrespectful tone he is setting? And you wonder why I would respond in such a way? If he wants to illicit an immature and insulting comment to Riot on something that is literally just in speculation and hasn't even been implemented yet then by all means I will reply accordingly.
It was never a mature discussion to begin with.
JustMyBassCannon10 votesOh, there's always room for mature discussion, provided the initiation of the discussion is mature in the first place.
Rinky Dinky2 votesIt's always this same guy too.
lol
He cries about rumble alot specifcally.
His only argument for it: "He's popular in lcs, thus he must be nerfed!"
terkmc12 votes
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AbodyHUN6663 votes*HUEHUEHUEHUE
Ancestor0071 votesMordekaiser es numero uno
WildCard8237 votesChill...it's not on the PBE. Why are you complaining? It's far from being implemented.
Chaotic Reks7 votes
Hinagiku334 votes 
New Blue Ez build?
Ancestor0071 votesJuicy
AMYS GRAVE1 votesi don't believe the rylais and iceborn slows will stack, but otherwise....
also 
get a trinket.
doublelift fg6 votesolaf permaslow is toxic, every bruisers with a slow is toxic.
meanwhile 
mage draining tank? give us league of bruisers and we're done with the balance between both
Sightless666 votesRumble actually wouldn't have a 40% slow. He'd have a 20% because his Q is a continuous damage effect. Any kind of DoT or multiple hit effect is only a 20% slow.
I'm more scared of the Liandry's buff on him. 30 more AP terrifies me.
Syndrarella5 votes[deleted]
kJs4 votes
MTempty1 votes
are also available at a fountain shop near you.
Implying Merc treads aren't superior in just about every situation.
Syndrarella1 votes[deleted]
MTempty1 votesI find that
when consistent movement speed is a concern.
I think Merc treads is still the better option, given the 25 mr in exchange for the movement speed. I typically want Swifts against Ashe or Sej but both of them have hard cc on top of their slows so the item feels a lot less helpful. Theres rarely a situation where I feel the extra movement speed outweighs the across the board cc reduction(minus knockups) and 25 mr. I'd really like Swifts to be changed to 10% extra ms and maybe minion collision.(might be abusable on Udyr/Hecarim.. I think this deserves some more in-depth thought).
junglerboy165 votesit's also got a 33% reduced duration, sooooo
Mob Psycho 1004 votesNot even in PBE yet dude, chill. and they reduced the time to 1 sec
Vistha Kai4 votesXypherous has his heart in the right place, but holy cow somebody should deal with the numbers for him.
Celeste Benal4 votes
+
Rylai's Crystal Scepter
Passive AoE: 15% Slow for 1.5 seconds --> 40% Slow for 1 second
Prepare your anus!
MrButtermancer3 votesNon-instant AoE's are harder to land in a mobility meta. The upper end of AP builds has been nerfed, meaning mobile champions have longer to escape from burst. Slow utility can counteract this (albiet poorly).
Also, spells are married to CDs, you can eternally apply autos.
WalkingInACircle2 votesIt may help to remember the new changes to the defensive masteries. A mastery for 2 points at the first tier will give you a 15% reduction in all slows on your champion. Also, 10% tenacity. So, people will easily be able to mitigate it to an extent.
Snakezzy2 votesMaybe it is to end the tank meta. Thank god for that.
Ariel the Cruel5 votesI'll take tank meta over assassin meta any day. At least with tank meta positioning, team fights, and [outside LCS] team comp matter.
League of assassins was pretty much "first one to go in wins".
Anisoptera1 votesThese Rylai's changes are going to make champions with fast-proccing slows on AoE abilities absolutely disgusting, such as Azir. You won't be able to get out of his soldier range as an ADC without dying instantly, especially if he has Nashor's Tooth. The item was in a good place but now its going to be oppressive beyond belief.
Ariel the Cruel2 votes
For some strange reason. I never have a problem with people walking out of soldier range come mid-game. It's like they think I'm squishy or something.
(Also: don't look now, but I have monster waves going in your other 2 lanes.)
kJs2 votesReplace with 
. Better sustain, more mana for . Not to mention the extra AP.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesI like the shield on seraphs. And most games aren't long enough to justify 2 scaling items. (hell, it's rare to even finish 6 items.) Generally, I like to start tear -> banner -> ZZ'rot / Nashors Tear also lets him maintain strong lane dominance better than catalyst. That said though, it's really a matter of preference.
BladeSteel1 voteshes saying to replace warmongs with a ROA and KEEP seraphs
Myozthirirn2 votesAnd he is saying most games arent long enough to justify 2 scaling items so AA > RoA for him
Felixphaeton1 votesRoA stacks in 10 minutes. If you get RoA by 15 minutes, it's fully powered by time most games end.
Also, it's irrelevant that AA > RoA, he's not saying to get rid of AA.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesIf I rush RoA and get it by 15 minutes, it'll be fully stacked by 25 minutes. AA will also be stacked by about 25 minutes if rushed. If I get them together, they'll both be fully stacked by about 30-35 minutes. An average game ends before 40 minutes.
So ball park, I'm looking at 10 minutes or less of full power. In exchange, I don't see a meaningful power spike until about 20-25 minutes (depending in how well early game goes). If I'm in a pre-made team (or one with really good communication) and a late game styled team comp/strategy, then both is perfectly viable. But most matches, I have to balance early game with late game especially since Azir's strength bottoms out mid game. Running 2 scaling items doesn't accomplish that.
BladeSteel1 votesWhen I played anivia, before the tank meta, when games would last 20-30 min I'd have both ROA and AA stacked by the 25 min....
Provengreil1 votesNot in my experience. I play Anivia when I mid, typical build order is 
and everything is stacked and ready by the first inhib turret.
Myozthirirn1 votesgame is almost decided by the first inhib turret (90% of the times)
BladeSteel1 votessame with me. and that was before the tank meta
