Since Pre-Season Patch many junglers have fallen out of favor for difference reasons. Khazix Rengar Evelynn etc.. I would really like to see these champs more viable in the new jungle.. One way I propose we help evelynn is to simply give her Q a 20% damage buff vs Monsters in the jungle... I think this would help cause to me her clears are pretty shit and her sustain is lack luster.
Leti the Yeti3 votespretty much giving several champions the shyvana treatment patches them up easily (the increased damage to monsters thing)
just give it to every no longer viable but intended jungler this perk and they can all come back
Stonington1 votesYou need the proper rune page. Her sustain is fine if you kite the jungle creep effectively. Think soft leashing. I'm pretty sure the popular runes for her are ad reds, ap blues, and ap quints.
She's fine, she doesn't need buffs.
Dreadlocks4 votesreguardless of the kiting the speed of clear is still bad compared to other junglers that are popular..
Stonington1 votesreguardless of the kiting the speed of clear is still bad compared to other junglers that are popular..
Oh really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-7Vw9CoJGc
Looks like she can clear Krugs, Red, Wolves, and Blue in 3:11. While only using 1 hp pot and stay at full HP and without help.
You're going to have to explain how her clear speed is bad. It's still one of, if not, the absolutely best in the game.
Akuen2 votesOh really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-7Vw9CoJGc
Looks like she can clear Krugs, Red, Wolves, and Blue in 3:11. While only using 1 hp pot and stay at full HP and without help.
You're going to have to explain how her clear speed is bad. It's still one of, if not, the absolutely best in the game.
Meanwhile in reality, Evelynn has one of the lowest winrates in the game while also being extremely unpopular. She's an "If I don't win by 20 minutes, I lose or get carried" champion. She was that last season too, it's just now she's basically unplayable. Great, you showed a video of an entirely uncontested solo clear. Congratulations. You still have to abuse what is effectively a bug (see dragon juggling removal) in order to make her playable. On top of that, she's not even viable.
Stonington1 votesMeanwhile in reality, Evelynn has one of the lowest winrates in the game while also being extremely unpopular. She's an "If I don't win by 20 minutes, I lose or get carried" champion. She was that last season too, it's just now she's basically unplayable. Great, you showed a video of an entirely uncontested solo clear. Congratulations. You still have to abuse what is effectively a bug (see dragon juggling removal) in order to make her playable. On top of that, she's not even viable.
You're kidding right?
This thread is about helping her get through her first clear by increasing her damage to jungle monsters. I'm countering the point with Evelynn having one of the best and safest clears in the game. If you want to debate that her damage is too low vs -champions- go right ahead and make a new thread.
BTW, this technique is called a soft pull as it pulls the enemy out and back in over and over without resetting the hp. It's not a bug. It was used in the Unicorns of Love game vs TSM. If it was a bug or an illegal maneuver they would have to forfeit the game. It's quite frankly the only way you can jungle ranged champs like Kayle this patch.
Akuen1 votesYou're kidding right?
This thread is about helping her get through her first clear by increasing her damage to jungle monsters. I'm countering the point with Evelynn having one of the best and safest clears in the game. If you want to debate that her damage is too low vs -champions- go right ahead and make a new thread.
BTW, this technique is called a soft pull as it pulls the enemy out and back in over and over without resetting the hp. It's not a bug. It was used in the Unicorns of Love game vs TSM. If it was a bug or an illegal maneuver they would have to forfeit the game. It's quite frankly the only way you can jungle ranged champs like Kayle this patch.
Khazix Rengar Evelynn etc.. I would really like to see these champs more viable in the new jungle..
Establishing that this thread is actually about Evelynn's overall viability, not her initial clear.
One way I propose we help evelynn is to simply give her Q a 20% damage buff vs Monsters in the jungle... I think this would help cause to me her clears are pretty shit and her sustain is lack luster.
Offering one of many ways to improve her and make her playable.
This thread is about Evelynn's complete lack of viability, not her initial clears.
Juggling dragon, also known as "soft resetting" was recently fixed so that you could no longer do it. It's exactly the same concept as what you propose Evelynn players should have to do just to clear Jungle. Go watch any good Evelynn player. None of them waste their time doing the technique displayed in that video because it's a massive waste of time due to Evelynn's extremely time sensitive nature.
Stonington1 votesEstablishing that this thread is actually about Evelynn's overall viability, not her initial clear.
Offering one of many ways to improve her and make her playable.
This thread is about Evelynn's complete lack of viability, not her initial clears.
Juggling dragon, also known as "soft resetting" was recently fixed so that you could no longer do it. It's exactly the same concept as what you propose Evelynn players should have to do just to clear Jungle. Go watch any good Evelynn player. None of them waste their time doing the technique displayed in that video because it's a massive waste of time due to Evelynn's extremely time sensitive nature.
Ok now I know you're a jokester! You can go from Red-Wolves-Blue, use one pot, stay full HP, and get level 3 at 3:10. According to this chart only 2 junglers can clear slightly faster than her. And none have better sustain. I'm sorry, but if you're not clearing like in the video, you're doing it wrong. I hate to break it to you buddy, but Evelynn has always had an S+ clear speed. Making it S+++ isn't going to change too much and is the wrong way to go about fixing her problems.
Akuen1 votesOk now I know you're a jokester! You can go from Red-Wolves-Blue, use one pot, stay full HP, and get level 3 at 3:10. According to this chart only 2 junglers can clear slightly faster than her. And none have better sustain. I'm sorry, but if you're not clearing like in the video, you're doing it wrong. I hate to break it to you buddy, but Evelynn has always had an S+ clear speed. Making it S+++ isn't going to change too much and is the wrong way to go about fixing her problems.
I'll make sure to let each region's Challenger players know that they're doing it wrong on your behalf.
Also, according to that chart 27 Jungler's can clear faster than her. Not to mention the fact that in that very chart, she's placed 35th(second last) on total health after clearing. Can you either give a valid concise argument, or just stop because at this point, you're just embarrassing yourself.
Stonington1 votesI'll make sure to let each region's Challenger players know that they're doing it wrong on your behalf.
Also, according to that chart 27 Jungler's can clear faster than her. Not to mention the fact that in that very chart, she's placed 35th(second last) on total health after clearing. Can you either give a valid concise argument, or just stop because at this point, you're just embarrassing yourself.
The author took the wrong runes, masteries, and didn't kite the monsters. Here's the author's comment on the matter:
Akuen1 votesThe author took the wrong runes, masteries, and didn't kite the monsters. Here's the author's comment on the matter:
To which "an experienced Evelynn player" responded with
if you kite the camps, at the cost of slowing down your clear speed by ~15 seconds it is possible to do gromp/krugs > blue/red>red/blue, and finish with >90% health.
That would put Evelynn's clear time at 3:45, far from the fastest. If you want to talk about the runes and masteries, then I can point out that Master Yi can clear a lot faster with a different rune/mastery set up. Hell, I could go through and do that for a lot of those Junglers. Stop trying to make random bits of information fit your argument.
Stonington1 votesTo which "an experienced Evelynn player" responded with
if you kite the camps, at the cost of slowing down your clear speed by ~15 seconds it is possible to do gromp/krugs > blue/red>red/blue, and finish with >90% health.
That would put Evelynn's clear time at 3:45, far from the fastest. If you want to talk about the runes and masteries, then I can point out that Master Yi can clear a lot faster with a different rune/mastery set up. Hell, I could go through and do that for a lot of those Junglers. Stop trying to make random bits of information fit your argument.
I don't understand how this is even debatable considering the guide video that put the clear at 3:10. How about you say, "Thanks for the advice."
Unless you're a jokesmith! You jokesmith you!