Xin Zhao Rework almost live..Here some Math and why the new Xin is A HUGE NERF

Giggling Granny··4 votes·3,932 views

First we are gonna Compare the Overall Burst Damage!

Old Xin zhao With the Basic runes 8.5 AD armor/MR(or cdr) and AS and masteries 18/12 or 18/0/12 and Builditem 1419 item 3078 item 3047 item 3143 item 3065 item 3156 oritem 3075 or item 3742 Old Xin zhao at lvl 18 would have 207 Total AD His Q would deal 75+249Physical damage His W would deal 480 Damage every third and heal him for 50+37+10 his E would deal 230+10AP magic damage His R would deal 275+94+15% current hp (All this is base damage i dont count the damages from Trinity proc and Madreds but in total burst i count it)

So his Overall Burst damage on a target with 73 armor (ADC tristana) would be 2800 damage

Now the New Xin Zhao Hiw new Q would deal 35+37 This alone you can see what is going on...but lets continue His new W would deal 70+62and 175+175all this combined would deal 482 damage if you hit them all 3 Now the New E would deal 150 magic damage His new R would deal the same And his passive would deal at lvl 18 490 every third hit and heal him for 59+27+10

Against an ADC (tristana 73 armor) he would deal

Would be 2500!! but wait if you count the fact that New Xin zhao no longer have 15% armor penetration he now deals 2200 Total Burst Damage!! So the new Xin Zhao even if he HIT his W all 3 part he lost 600 damage against an ADC...and if you count vs a TANK or Bruiser the Number goes even higher!!

And that was at lvl 18! at lvl 15 or lvl 13 or lvl 9 the old Xin zhao overall damage and heal and burst is better by even better amount because of the fact that his Thirst hit bonud damage is go up per LVL and breaks even at lvl 15 and becomes better by 5% at lvl 16..and he heals are better earlier and LATER earlier he heal 20 more per hit and later 9 more per hit!!

My suggestion here is to make his Q deal Total AD and keep the numbers the same so he can build item 3053 Or make his E deal physical damage and keep AP ratio for those who want toplay AP~! so he can benefit better from item 3071 Or make his E deal physical damage and have Total AD ratio so he can benefit from item 3071 and item 3053

One of the 3 options would actually make his Burst almost even as the old!!! it would still be lower special Early to mid game and almost even at lvl 18...which happen very rare this days with the meta we play right now!!

The new Xin Zhao got NERFED i mean you can argue with everything but you can never argue with maths!!!

And i didnt even count the Fact that he is gonna Need to spend more Mana and Use his only Gap closer to farm in the jungle...or the fact that he lost too much of his CC because his only SLOW now its thin line on 3 part ability...

So please to the dude that its gonna rework xin zhao take 1 week more and make one of the 3 changes dont release him like that...he is weaker...and his ulti dosent justify so much damage nerf because he dosent have relaible CC any more...he lost Armor Penetration he lost Way too much ulitility and damage early to mid game he lost Overall burst in all stages of the game and all that for just a cycle on his ulti? NO Its not justified!!

18 Comments

Skyisthelimit12 votes

The new Xin is better. I really don't think it's a nerf.

I've been playing Xin TOP lane and now he's even more viable TOP lane. With this new W, you can max it first for insane poke damage early on, not to mention it slows even if you hit it with the Thrust, so you can slow and then E into them if your jungler is ganking. And If you W first, then E and Q into target, a few hits and your W will refresh again and you can use it to kill the enemy if he's running away.

What do the numbers matter if Xin can't lane well or farm ? This way you can be sure if you're going TOP as Xin, you will be able to farm well and harass and become a monster.

Also, the ULT is a huge buff , a few seconds in a fight can change everything. For example it can block JHIN's ult. LUC's ult, Cait's ult, etc. And you can frontline with it and ignore the backline ADC's trying to burst you down. So many uses for it now.

The burst damage is still there, if you max W first, you will be doing more damage I think by level 9 (at level 5 W). Didn't do the numbers but it looks that way.

TL;dr I don't think it's a nerf, Xin will be more fun now and still retains burst and can harass etc.

Bootleg Gay1 votes

His new ability is a 2 part, not 3, and he still has a knock up and strong dueling potential. Sure he's lost damage, but he's gained more range and the ability to survive for far longer. And remember that new runes are going to be releasing soon too, so he'll have even more toys to play with.

Giggling Granny1 votes

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His new ability is a 2 part, not 3, and he still has a knock up and strong dueling potential. Sure he's lost damage, but he's gained more range and the ability to survive for far longer. And remember that new runes are going to be releasing soon too, so he'll have even more toys to play with.

if i count runes then i would have count frevor +80 damage that add on his OLD Q and not on his new Q

So his overall burst damage would have bee 3500 so the difference would have bee 1000 damage the old with the new ones...

I dont think the new Runes would be able to cover that much different....and i have see the new runes they are not even covering the normal 600 damage difference

Bootleg Gay1 votes

Didn't realize that this game was a turn based stat check game. He needed nerfs regardless, and if you're this upset about it, maybe work with your team? Like what you're supposed to do in a team game? It's not all about how much damage you can do. It's objectives, team fights and chaining combos together with allies. I'm happy we're moving away from the high damage meta when every champ in the game had consistent, reliable damage.

Malcha3 votes

Needed a nerf? We're talking about Xin right? Changes maybe. A nerf? Maybe in B5.

thepowerlies1 votes

Not even in b5 he was strong.

OurLestrade1 votes

He's not as much of a stat ball now and has some basic mechanics while still being fundamentally simple for newer players, as he should be. Rework's fine.

And A Real Hiero1 votes

He becomes Immune to all ranged damage in his ult and you expected him to keep his current damage?

Giggling Granny3 votes

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He becomes Immune to all ranged damage in his ult and you expected him to keep his current damage?

he becomes immune to all range damage for 0.1 seconds...dont watch youtube videos...watch normal gameplay...the range of the "immunity" is the base range of an ADC...so an adc can walk in and AA...OMG IT TOOK ADC 0.1 SECONDS to AA me so i guess its ok to lose 1000 damage...

And A Real Hiero1 votes

Well we can't have our precious adc's not dealing damage now can we, Riot doesn't like it when adc's aren't relevant even if its just a few seconds.

Darkdemon6531 votes

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Now the New Xin Zhao Hiw new Q would deal 35+37 This alone you can see what is going on...but lets continue

I don't feel like checking everything, but they're not going to make his new Q deal less damage than an auto-attack. I assume you forgot to add in his actual attack damage and crit chance while not forgetting to do so on his old Q.

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

His old Q scaled with total attack damage and did 75 base damage per hit. His new Q only does 35 base damage per hit and only scales with Bonus attack damage. It was indeed nerfed to the ground.

Darkdemon6531 votes

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His old Q scaled with total attack damage and did 75 base damage per hit. His new Q only does 35 base damage per hit and only scales with Bonus attack damage. It was indeed nerfed to the ground.

His new Q also scales with 100% total AD per hit.

CC Doge1 votes

No it doesnt, it scales with 0.4 bonus ad

Darkdemon6531 votes

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No it doesnt, it scales with 0.4 bonus ad

And then the actual auto-attack

Ultimomos1 votes

Kinda posting from the grave but from my experience thus far, this is a HUGE buff to him. It's not a big change but it did clean up the clunkiness of his old kit while giving some nice playmaking potential. The damage from w is massive if you land both parts and noone expects so much burst from it, I've been catching people off guard a ton.

The new ult though is what makes him really shine. Now he can actually build damage, dive and survive more than 2 seconds. Not to mention it has a lot more playmaking potential.

Also....he's just more FUN now. Not everyone is going to like the rework but I think they did a great job.

Alex90901 votes

Fucking shit Nerf xin Zhao he is god of cancer need that bitch be Nerf ok this is not ok.

okamiyasha951 votes

Stats this and stats that. You wanna work for Riot? His early ganks are still god tier and unless you burn flash, you are dead. His ult is a buff. He traded some damage yeah, but now, his tank game is stronger. It's a tank meta. Therefore, he was indirectly buffed.

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