32% Of your MAXIMUM Health, as magic damage? Who fucking thought that was balanced? Q with a base damage of 260 and 70% ap Ratio. He's a SUPPORT not a freaking Ap burst mid laner. And then his ult 8% of his maximum health as magic damage plus 20. Jesus why does he have sooooo MUCH damage?
Needs a shit ton of nerfs to damage, then buff else where , where needed if he becomes to weak. But for fucks sake, he does way to much damage.
CPU BIanc37 votesThats what happens when a newly released champ gets buffed for no reason in 3 consecutive patches.
Earl Eulrich13 votesexactly, i think the released version had been strong enough - they just couldn´t wait for people to learn how to play him right. I mean even as of today it´s very hard to find teammates that understand his gamechanging ultimate and immediatly join your journey...so expecting a winrate far above 40% after release had been just outright bullshit and they seriously didnßt learn from the Yasuo-fiasco.
LadyRenly14 votesthe harsh language is unneccessary, and is actually rather derogatory towards special needs
Neclord10 votesIf you took 5 seconds to Google the definition of retarded, it says it means: "less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age" or "very foolish or stupid"; it's safe to assume OP clearly used the word retarded in the latter context. The word has thus been used correctly.
I think your ignorant assumption that all special needs people are "very foolish or stupid" and therefore any use of the word retarded degrades special needs people is a pathetic and repugnant ploy for upvotes. How dare you try to take the moral high ground with such a stupid assumption. Pathetic.
Rysophage7 votesGUYS I FOUND A TRIBUNAL MEMBER
Unpaladin5 votesG A M E P L A Y & B A L A N C E
Aboylova928 votesCompletely ignoring his extremely weak early game, ability to get kite hard, the fact that he needs THREE attacks before he can even eat the person, which then doesn't let him save teamates, ect. Then you point out his 70% AP ratio as if that even matters. Who is going to build AP on Tahm unless you want a free loss?
You're ignoring how bad he would be without damage. When you compare him to someone like Bard, the difference is crazy utility wise. Which you HAVE to take into effect if you want to gut his damage. Here's an idea, build MR, locket even benefits the entire team, jump on his carries first as it forces him to use his W, reducing his damage drastically, or have one of the numerous BORK users on your team, which completely destroy him. Champions like Vayne, Noc, Yi, ect all make his life a living hell, but we wouldn't want to post all the negative things about him, only the "op" things.
A Miss Fortune7 votesI'm getting tired of the full tank Tahm Support being able to blow me up with almost no counterplay to it. For all of Tahm's utility, he shouldn't do damage at all. He's a tank, not a carry, therefore he shouldn't have the best of both worlds being a huge tank with basically two health bars and more burst than Annie with 6 deathcaps.
Avios12 votesDude, if there was an annie with 6 deathcaps, everyone is screwed R+W..... Tahm Kench Is SINGLE TARGET.......... Just analyze your own mistakes against him....
Rysophage6 voteshe's tanky that means he does a ton of damage. see: 
Most tanks in LoL are absurd honestly. And they wonder why ADCS have such a bad time.
Miku Append4 votes#NerfLeona2015
lolipopevelynn5 votesbetter than 80% of your MAXIMUM health as TRUE damage am i right bois?
Sozan512 votesWhile I believe that Fiora needs some changes - this argument is just dumb.
OP clearly stated that he deals too much damage for how tanky he is - Fiora is not tanky and requires a lot of AD to reach that much damage (378 bonus AD to be precise).
Also, why do people even use that as an argument? "Hurr, durr, this champ is not OP because some other champion is more OP."
Trash MammaI5 votesHe's not a support though...RIOT stated they originally designed him for TOP LANE but as they developed him they saw he had good support qualities due to his W capabilities.
Guy Fox Teemo6 votesSupport or not, no one should do 32% of your max HP on a point and click ability that, also pretty much stuns you for 2 seconds as well.
Trash MammaI6 votesYou're immune while inside him from all other things. So it's a risk reward type ability.
He gives you time for your cds to get up as well as prevents you from being cc'd or any other nonsense. It's mana cost and cd are pretty heavy early on as well as it being his only real source of being noticed outside of his Q which can be easily dodged.
If his W was nerfed he'd be garbage tier. It's his only source of reliable CC as well as his only source of reliable damage and reliable waveclear etc.
Everything is packed into his W
CreationFlaw2 votes[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HR4W9az0,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2015-10-11T03:18:03.416+0000)
You're immune while inside him from all other things. So it's a risk reward type ability.
He gives you time for your cds to get up as well as prevents you from being cc'd or any other nonsense. It's mana cost and cd are pretty heavy early on as well as it being his only real source of being noticed outside of his Q which can be easily dodged.
If his W was nerfed he'd be garbage tier. It's his only source of reliable CC as well as his only source of reliable damage and reliable waveclear etc.
Everything is packed into his W
I mean, and his auto attacks... Actually, have 2 damage abilities + enhanced autos is pretty good.
NineTailedMystic2 votesYou become untargetable, not immune. You still die to DoTs, Zed ult, etc.
Mister Mackey4 votesCC him, kite him, dont let him get 2 stacks because he'll get the 3rd easy.
Big Lincoln18 votestoo bad he lands one Q and you can't get away from him without multiple low-CD dashes
playing as and against him, he is incredibly hard to kite if he hits his Q (which is deceptively easy to land). he needs a major damage nerf, because a 5k HP super-tank with a second life bar shouldn't be killing people this fast
Blue Moon Wolf3 votesIkr, I was playing against him as Wu and as soon as he hit lvl 3 I couldn't do anything productive against him while he just poked me down all day. I either jump in and decoy out, where he hits me with is tongue or spits a minion at me while I did little to no damage, or I keep my distance and he keeps poking me till he can get close enough to eat me :L
SpecterVonBaren2 votesHow the hell do you lost to Tahm as Wu? Wu's clone fucks up Tahm because it denies him three stacks by blocking his tongue or baiting his w out of him.
Blue Moon Wolf3 votessimple, his clones do shit for damage so they don't "fuck up" anyone and tahms W spit minion can still easily find it's way to you due to AOE damage. Then you add in the decently long cooldown and the mana cost early levels and you can't just spam decoy or you're a sitting duck. case in point that match actually. one of Wu's biggest weaknesses are poke heavy champs (I.E. 
and 
before he got nerfed) and any damage you do to him hardly even affects him cause of his E's passive. Sure you can stay and fight him to do some real damage to him, but then he swallows you and you just lost as much health as you took out of him (without his E activated btw).
A Miss Fortune16 votesThe thing is, is that he's really good against kiting. He has a ton of CC and getting hit by his Tongue once usually means you fall into a chain of stuns/slows. You can also CC him, but to be fair he IS the Tank/Support, he WANTS you to CC him over his carries. Even if he does build a ton of AP, he's still fairly tanky anyways and all it takes is one Tongue to put you under a CC chain.
The Great Jaggi4 votesno u
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Melledoneus4 votesThe way to beat Tahm Kench is the same as any broken champion.
Play a champion that's more cancer. 
Blu Avenger3 votesThis is getting ridiculous, the stupidity of these boards makes me sick, reading these Salt threads is starting to make me rage.
Tahm Kench is far from OP, He is at best a very strong 1v1 duelist, and a good meat shield. He has ONE single target slow that's a skill shot, his main damage is an ability that needs him to stack 3 times with atleast 2 AA, and i must stress his AA is melee range.
He is a good 1v1 duelist in a 5v5 game. Just stop and think about that for a second......... I'll wait...
Kitten of Evil3 votesIt's not 32% of the target's max health, it's (32% + 2% per 100 AP of target's Max HP) + 20 + 4%/6%/8% Tahm Kench's Max HP. With a 2-3 second suppress on a basic ability.
kile1472 votesI think that a simple nerf would be to change is ult passive to only increases auto attack damage. His damaging abilities scaling off both AP and health rather well is probably what puts him over the edge, and moving the hp scaling to his autos only would be a good place to start.
The Fast1 votesI dont build any AP on Tahm, and I can guarantee that his damage is still insane lol. Reducing the percent his ult damage does on his abilities does seem like a good start though, I agree.
kile1471 votesIt would make buys like RoA more valuable on him than straight health. This would not only make him trade off more tankiness if he wants to build damage, but would delay his powerspike as well.
kile1471 votesIt would make buys like RoA more valuable on him than straight health. This would not only make him trade off more tankiness if he wants to build damage, but would delay his powerspike as well.
Changing the way his W deals damage could also help, by making it deal half of the damage as a DoT over the duration of the devour, and the other half as the burst upon exiting it is now.
The Fast1 votesMissed the edit button? lol
But again, as someone who doesn't build AP on Tahm, instead opting for Titanic/AD tank, I think people would just lean on that instead. Tahm can do something like 1500 raw mixed damage with 2 autos and a Q at full build (counting titanic active), and honestly as a solo laner/jungler, he needs to be able to do something like that, considering how easily he can be peeled off of important targets. With zero AP, right now his Q at full build does 500 damage or so. In a standard rotation, that can remove 500-700 damage, with every ability cast losing 240 damage. I think removing ALL damage from ult passive on abilities would be overkill. Say doing 50-75% on abilities would probably suffice.
Also making his W a DoT wouldn't really solve much from my point of view. Care to explain that for me?
kile1471 votesThey could up his AP ratios slightly so that with the right build he could still deal 1500 damage, just with slightly less health. I see a lot of people taking issue with the 32% health damage on his W, so I figure that changing half that to a dot would encourage AP builds slightly more (Liandries synergy ftw), and would give him a bit more counterplay by forcing him to waddle around with his victim for a bit in order to get the full damage off.
The Fast1 votesThat uh. That would require clocking up his Q ratio to over 100% to match the damage. The thing about the damage now, is that it scales up relatively slowly. Basing the damage from a small % of his bonus HP makes the damage ramp up very slowly. What you are suggesting would instantly put Tahm at that damage the instant he buys an AP item. I wouldn't build RoA at that point, I'd rush a Grail into Deathcap.
kile1471 votesSo then you aren't building health and he becomes a lackluster Mage with decent damage and a bit of utility. That would be a viable build but wouldn't be overbearing.
The Fast1 votesYou are missing the part where his Q would have over 1.0 ratio. His Q would be hitting people for as much as Veigar's W, and his W would be hitting people for a little less than a rank 2 lux ultimate. On a potential 3.6 and 6 second cooldown.
kile1471 votesWhich is pretty comparable to AP blitzcrank, have you seen that guy's ratios?! Admittedly the cool downs are low but if you let someone building full squishy with no escapes survive long enough to use his combo twice you've probably got it coming.
The Fast1 votesThis... This isn't comparable to AP blitz. He would be a poke champion with that build. One that deals ultimate levels of damage on a basic ability thats pretty easy to land. The ratios that your suggestions implies would give him would make him way worse than what he is now.
Budupops1 votesnow every1 is like "forum noobs are complaining". well i was asking for nerfs when he had a 38% win rate so this community is full of uneducated trash
Obiwan Jhinobi1 voteswell that was always the thing that a new champ was almost crap
remember 
before buffs?
before buffs?
before update?
almost every champ who is hated here were bad at release
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this is normal because people finally learning tahm kench although he is out like 3 months or more?
Budupops4 votesThose were cancer before buffs
Borbland1 votesYeah, he is really strong and deal tons of damage, but luckily he has problems farming in lane cause his cs'ing before 6 is atrocious.
That's why you play him in the jungle ^^
Blu Avenger2 votesThats the thing, I'm not gonna deny he does huge damage mid to late game, but he has soooo many weaknesses if your dying in lane to tahm kench your doing something wrong. All this community wants instead of analysing thier own game is blame everything but themselves.
Try asking for a gank, even if Tahm lane isnt pushed 2v1 you will atleast burn a flash, Tahm can do nothing against a 2v1, with a 335 base speed and a single target slow being his only ability.
Avios11 votesYou seem to not understand his weaknesses... He has a Skillshot for his Q, a fast one at that, but a skillshot nonetheless. It is easy to dodge them, just don't be shaggy and Scooby running away style. His Devouer is probably one of the most easily mistakable moves if you have another champion on you. He goes after health for his ult, which makes him vulnerable to damage, his E is easy, just poke him down and wait for his shield to go off. His ult active, you need to have Map awareness. He is not only a support, and he would have to level up Devouer to the 5th level, only occurring at lvl 14 usually, to get that 32% max damage. For his scaling on his q, have you ever seen a Tahm Kench build pure AP? He is suppose to deal damage to get rid of assasains on his backline, scare them away. He is meant to both peel and engage, catch people out, and most of all, protect the ADC. Any decent Tahm usually saved their devouer for saving their teammates from a Cait or Jinx ult, and to be able to waste any enemy's dashes or jumps.
TL;DR - He isn't broken, people rarely play him, which means that people rarely know how to play against him. Watch for his gameplay mistakes, capitalize on them, that's how you win against Tahm.
Blu Avenger2 votesYou seem to not understand his weaknesses... He has a Skillshot for his Q, a fast one at that, but a skillshot nonetheless. It is easy to dodge them, just don't be shaggy and Scooby running away style. His Devouer is probably one of the most easily mistakable moves if you have another champion on you. He goes after health for his ult, which makes him vulnerable to damage, his E is easy, just poke him down and wait for his shield to go off. His ult active, you need to have Map awareness. He is not only a support, and he would have to level up Devouer to the 5th level, only occurring at lvl 14 usually, to get that 32% max damage. For his scaling on his q, have you ever seen a Tahm Kench build pure AP? He is suppose to deal damage to get rid of assasains on his backline, scare them away. He is meant to both peel and engage, catch people out, and most of all, protect the ADC. Any decent Tahm usually saved their devouer for saving their teammates from a Cait or Jinx ult, and to be able to waste any enemy's dashes or jumps.
TL;DR - He isn't broken, people rarely play him, which means that people rarely know how to play against him. Watch for his gameplay mistakes, capitalize on them, that's how you win against Tahm.
Forget it my friend, I realise now Tahm is now the new nerf bait purely because of worlds, we have to just wait for it to pass, and hope riot doesn't take these ridiculous threads seriously.
I personally like the fact there is such a champ with some variety, you take away his damage, and all you get left with is a meat shield.
KS King Kench1 voteshave you seen aatrox? cause i just played tahm into him and got fucking rekt.... of course he did have a zilean on his team....