My Struggle

Apocalypsic·Apr 3, 2016·2 votes·335 views

Is that Riven is in such a sour and low state this meta for many different reasons and Riot ignores it and people down-vote simply just because it's Riven.

6 Comments

Toa InnodenceApr 3, 20161 votes

why not make her early game stats awesome, but her late game damage abysmal? id est, bad scalings, good base damage/stats.

ApocalypsicApr 3, 20161 votes

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why not make her early game stats awesome, but her late game damage abysmal? id est, bad scalings, good base damage/stats.

At least if she had good base damages I could build to match this silly tank meta.

I like her identity though as a strong AD scaling fighter, the problem is most top laners nowadays outscale simply by base damages and building tank tank tank.

So what you are suggesting would probably work, but would unfortunately strip her of her identity and make her just another Renekton or Darius.

I want to be able to use that time I've been putting into learning a champ to make a difference and not simply lose because she's one of those elephants in the room that everyone wants to ignore, and I would want to hopefully be able to do it and have her retain her identity.

Toa InnodenceApr 3, 20161 votes

how could we adjust her to keep her identity while still being healthy? I have suggestions of all kinds in different aspects of different abilities, but I don't really play riven and think it more fair to ask someone who does.

ApocalypsicApr 3, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Toa Innodence,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HPEHI7VX,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-03T19:06:52.400+0000)

how could we adjust her to keep her identity while still being healthy? I have suggestions of all kinds in different aspects of different abilities, but I don't really play riven and think it more fair to ask someone who does.

I honestly just think that several things need to happen.

First and foremost is changes to grasp and tank itemization (Iceborne sunfire is getting out of hand).

Second of all Riven needs her ult nerfs reverted and to be completely honest I think she'd be viable but not too strong once they did that.

Third off fighters who aren't totally auto-attack oriented need a better last whisper. I'll grab Dominic's sometimes but it's so lackluster compared the the old last whisper.

The problem is she's weaker because of an avalanche of tweaks and changes, not just one. This meta doesn't help either in the slightest.

Toa InnodenceApr 4, 20161 votes

true it's never just a simple one and done change. however i still think that demanding the meta to shape around any one character is a little obscene, even if it pleases their mains (see every champion with a fanbase ever and every meta that was miserable to some other group ever).

I can agree to a nerfing grasp, sunfire iceborne all a little.

cooldown nerfs or projectile speed nerfs? I could concede to some adjustments in those.

not sure what you mean with the last whisper thing, doesn't armor pen work on abilities too? maybe if they add another path for Lw, but you'd need to find a niche passive like cdr in that case. [LDR stats: 40ad, passive:45% bonus ar pen, passive: giant slayer, 2.7k g mort stats: 40ad, passive:45% bonus ar pen, passive: wounds, 2.7K g new serrated dirk option: 20ad, 10 flat ar pen, passive on hit 1.1k g old LW stats: 40ad, passive: 40% bonus ar pen, 2.3k to 2.09k g depending on patch (just barely cheaper with less stats) old brutalizer stats: 20ad, 10%cdr 10 ar pen, 1337 g]

some other options are to make her early game damage abysmal and keep her late game dueling damage, or to have a period in the middle where her stats level off before she scales late game again.

ApocalypsicApr 4, 20161 votes

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true it's never just a simple one and done change. however i still think that demanding the meta to shape around any one character is a little obscene, even if it pleases their mains (see every champion with a fanbase ever and every meta that was miserable to some other group ever).

I can agree to a nerfing grasp, sunfire iceborne all a little.

cooldown nerfs or projectile speed nerfs? I could concede to some adjustments in those.

not sure what you mean with the last whisper thing, doesn't armor pen work on abilities too? maybe if they add another path for Lw, but you'd need to find a niche passive like cdr in that case. [LDR stats: 40ad, passive:45% bonus ar pen, passive: giant slayer, 2.7k g mort stats: 40ad, passive:45% bonus ar pen, passive: wounds, 2.7K g new serrated dirk option: 20ad, 10 flat ar pen, passive on hit 1.1k g old LW stats: 40ad, passive: 40% bonus ar pen, 2.3k to 2.09k g depending on patch (just barely cheaper with less stats) old brutalizer stats: 20ad, 10%cdr 10 ar pen, 1337 g]

some other options are to make her early game damage abysmal and keep her late game dueling damage, or to have a period in the middle where her stats level off before she scales late game again.

Armor pen does work like that yeah but the old last whisper gave AD fighters a viable rush to deal with tanks.

And while it would benefit riven I overall think nerfing tanks (or at least their itemization)would benefit game health at least up in the top lane.