Best way to Nerf Vayne without touching ANYTHING.

Dunkrius2g·Sep 3, 2015·2 votes·730 views

Vayne has a new passive on top of her passive. Her new passive will be called, "Hunter's Curse" and her New Passive will be this:

**Vayne will now take 5 or 10% extra damage from all Marksmen (ANY Physical, Magical, and True damage will be amplified by 5 or 10%). **

This will include any champions that have Marksmen in their page and the list is this:

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Those champions that are NOT real ADCs but they do have Marksmen in their page is as follows:

and .

That way we buff all the ADCs but in reality, we aren't really buffing them individually. You get what i mean? With this change, this will give the ADCs a fighting chance against Vayne.

Thoughts?

12 Comments

GunnlaugSep 3, 20154 votes

No, you're doing it wrong.

Dunkrius2gSep 3, 20151 votes

Hmm. Tell me what you would do?

CreationFlawSep 3, 20152 votes

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Hmm. Tell me what you would do?

Probably nerf her Attack speed per level.

Dunkrius2gSep 3, 20151 votes

That is actually a good idea! From 4% -> 3%. How's that?

CreationFlawSep 3, 20152 votes

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That is actually a good idea! From 4% -> 3%. How's that?

Not sure, I don't play vayne that often, and the few times I get her in Aram I do well. PBE is a place for changes (Used to be radical changes, now people qq about the slightest changes, so they don't try to do anything drastic.), so probably a big nerf to see how much it actually changes her gameplay. 2.5%? I mean, you only need to hit two autos because your Q is an AA reset.

Dunkrius2gSep 3, 20151 votes

In total, Vayne will gain 45% in total from her attack speed scaling. Every vayne will always buy these items: item 3153 item 3006 either item 3046 or item 3087 . if we add them up all together, BOTRK (40%)+ Boots (25%)+ PD (50%)/ SS (40%) = 160% (with PD) or 150% (with SS).

Her attack speed starting off is 0.658 or .66 to be more percise. So in total She will have 1.716 or in other words 1.72 attack speed (FOR PD). Note this is not including "Frenzy" (where you get 15% for X amount of seconds for landing 3 crits) (This is if she has 2.5% scaling attack speed per level).

Her attack speed starting off is 0.658 or .66 to be more percise. So in total she will have 1.7556 Or in other words 1.76~. Then we have frenzy and the possibility of buying item 3172 or item 3078 . But her Attack speed at level 18 will be 1.76 with no auto attacks. Oh yeah did i mention that i am not including the 5% attack speed mastery or 15% attack speed from runes?

So itll be around 1.95 with 2.5% attack speed scaling. I am counting the 15% attack speed runes, 5% from mastery, 15% from mastery, 40% from botrk, 50% from PD, 25% from boots and 45% from the scaling all the way to level 18.

Tl;DR Vayne will have 1.85 attack speed with this new change by having these stuff #1 45% from attack speed scaling. (2.5% per lv) #2 50% from PD #3 40% from BOTRK 4# 25% from boots 5# 15% from runes. #6 5% from mastery and nothing for Frenzy.

Then we have items that reduce attack speed. item 3143 and item 3110 . So if she has all the attack speed she can get EXCLUDING item 3172 and item 3078 , She will have potentially 1.95~ attack speed at level 18. Now she will have 1.36~ with 30% debuff. Im not sure if i am doing it right though so you can correct me. Then you have champions that debuff further but this should suffice.

So in other words 2.12 (4%) -> 1.95 (2.5%)

What do you guys think?

GunnlaugSep 3, 20151 votes

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Hmm. Tell me what you would do?

Nothing. Nothing is wrong with vayne. There have been no changes since like.. a long time. She's just popular, people find out how to play her, it's part of the meta. You remember the sejuani situation? Same deal. Old champ, spotlight on them cus of new meta. Nothing is wrong with vayne.

Sakura MirageSep 3, 20153 votes

Or you don't touch her and maybe buff other marksmens

Colgate GatorSep 3, 20152 votes

You would touch her passive if you do that.

I Came For YouSep 3, 20152 votes

If that was implemented, then every time you lose to a Vayne you can only say you got outplayed.

Most of the QQ threads I read complain about her true damage.

Vayne's identity is being a late game monster. She is highly auto attack reliant, which is why she is slippery. She has tumble, invisibility, and a movement speed boost towards champions (cause shes a hunter) to make up for it. If she had the mobility of Kog'maw (who is also a late game scaling monster), then people would pick Kog/Jinx instead for their kits.

If they really had to nerf Vayne while keeping her identity, they could make her true damage scale with level while swapping her passive for her W or changing it completely.

Example:

Passive: Vayne deals % health true damage every third auto attack on the same target. This damage scales per champion level. 1(+.5*champion level).

W: Passive: Vayne gains movement speed towards enemys champion. Active: remove the effects of slows.

CindikleSep 3, 20152 votes

Make her Condemn a skill shot so you an actually counterplay the targeted knockback/stun. Even if you flash, it'll still act as if you hit the wall. While yes this would mean the range would get increased, but it'd work like Syndra's knockback. Where it wont go past the max range. Meaning she still needs it's range to be able to hit the wall, not just her target.

Make her Silver Bolts stack go 5/5/4/4/3. This would really hit her early game.

I don't think she'd need too much more than this.

This would make

Her early game harass quite a bit weaker, as getting 3 hits then Q or Eing to safety can be quite powerful if done right.
Makes mobility champions counter her in lane. Right now she really doesn't have any with all of her mobility/self peel. She just isn't amazing early game. Your main focus is still farm over kills. Other champions probably will out duel you most of the time. But for her late game power, she is hardly weakearly game.
Silver bolts change means maxing Q first can hurt her mid game since she can't stack W as fast.

FatalitýSep 3, 20151 votes

...... this would litterally make Vayne unplayable. This has to be the dumbest passive I've ever seen, I passive that works against you? WTF! she is soo weak in lane as it is she doesn't even get good until mid game. Also Urgot is an ADC BTW