I have no clue if hes a top pick in silver or bronze but stfu with this corny overused joke, he's barely even a rare pick; he is practically a ultra rare pick at this point so what does disabling have to do with it?
I too have been in these elos and complaining about things that I could easily prevent didn't help me get better.
If you're complaining about a Zed then you are in for a tough climb.
Only Play Darius36 votesZed was only Tier 1 pick early season 5 where tanks were so weak that he could ignore them or outright kill them. Zed's time in the spotlight ended the moment it became a tank meta. So tired of people crying about him, and that joke is lame as fuck.
I know that this is going to get downvoted, but Zed is a balanced assassin. Single target, gets in and gets out, gets the kill, and does nothing for the next 60 seconds because he is completely reliant on his ult. He kills reliably but after that he sits there and waits for his cooldown.
kile1479 votesThe main issue that people have with him is that he is a really strong laner who forces you to rush a bad laning item (
) if you're behind, which sets you further behind. If you do get ahead then it's hard to do a lot about it because he has a lot of mobility and can farm pretty easily from long range. He's perfectly balanced overall and is actually pretty weak now (which is fine, not his meta atm) since the resurgence of tanks and his ult changes have made him much worse at teamfighting.
He was really only unbalanced right after Riot released those huge mana changes last season. He was a decent assassinator in an assassin meta, but with almost unparalleled laning ability because most of the champs in his lane couldn't keep up with his waveclear. He's not as annoying as he used to be, but it's tough to forget or forgive, especially when he can be considered a poster child for a lot of other issues that people have with the game (basically resourceless waveclear, lots of flashy mobility, overloaded kit) so I can see why he is a popular champ to bash.
I Miss Cannon13 votesWhen Zed is considered overloaded l, what about Yasuo/Ekko/Gnar then? Lol..
kile1472 votesYasuo and Ekko both are definitely overloaded as well. Gnar is a bit, though I think he's about on par with other shape-shifting champs who just tend to be more complex which is fine. Zed is certainly not the worst offender when it comes to overloaded kits, I'll give you that, but it's just another thing about him for people to hate.
Anidan4 votesHe's actually not that overloaded, he really isn't.
Zed's passive: Execution on hit. That's not that bad, honestly. Q: Line-based piercing skillshot with reduced damage for each pierced enemy. Again, not bad. W: A second Zed, duplicating his abilities from one location that he can warp to instantly if needs be. Still not bad so far. E: AoE damage in a small radius; slows if the shadow clone hits an enemy (his sole CC). Still not seeing it. R: Marks the target, and places a ticking bomb spell. Places a shadow clone at his current location and Zed himself moves, with invincibility, toward his intended victim. Must wait 1 second to warp to ult shadow. That so far seems the worst, but all things said: he's still not that bad.
Zed isn't really overloaded. He -seems- overloaded because his (honestly) fairly straightforward kit allows him to do more than one might think he should be able to. However, his straightforward kit means he's not too adept at doing anything he isn't explicitly built for (damage). He isn't durable. His damage isn't really that insane compared to most assassins. He's slippery, but no more so than other assassins. His main 'thing' is that he has all of this along with Energy, which helps him have a strong laning phase along with his passive.
I hate him, but he's not really overloaded as one would think.
kile1472 votesThe parts of his kit that I think of as "extra" are things like Passive: Works on minons, making last hitting much easier Q: Damage decreases after the first enemy, and then doesn't decrease at all after that, making it good for waveclear and harrass (sometimes simultaneously) W: has a passive effect giving +%bonus AD E: Is fine, complex but all makes sense R: is a very complex move that is made so to give it more counterplay, and is why he is considered one of the healthiest assassins in the game.
As I said, he certainly isn't that overloaded, but he does have stuff in his kit that seems to be there solely to make his laning easier, which it doesn't really need to be. Make his passive only activate on champions and large monsters and he loses no power, but is just less noob friendly when last hitting. Making his Q have a greater reduction per enemy hit would make him actually choose between harass and waveclear. Removing the bonus AD and instead modifying ratios would help for clarity.
Guy Fox Teemo2 votesThe damage decrease is 60% the fuck would we reduce it even more for? Global ults like ezreal's , get reduced up to 60% of the damage dealt but only 10% per target, Zed's Instantly 60%. Any less would mean it did nothing past the first hit.
KingPedator1 votesActually, Gnar is pretty overloaded, the first time i played him i was top (obivously) against a Darius and another Gnar, and i won the lane and game pretty easily, 35 kills (even tho 13 deaths becuase i was too greedy)
And also, Zed is pretty overloaded thanks to the easy way of dodging most skill shots, if you know how to time it right, and you take down a tank enemy easily once he's bellow 50% hp...
kile1471 votesOverloaded doesn't mean mobile, it's generally used to refer to a champion having extraneous stuff in their kit that could be removed. For example the first two slashes in Riven's Q could be considered something that makes her overloaded since she would still function as the same champ without them, but the fact alone that she has 4 dashes in her kit just makes her crazy mobile and not necessarily overloaded.
If you think Gnar is overpowered that's a different story, because that could just be a number tuning thing. As is, the only part of his kit that I'd call overloaded is hyper and when the speed boost activates. Aside from that he has 6 active abilities and 3 passive ones, which seems like a lot but is on par with other "shapeshifting" champions (
,
, 
,
) who tend to be complex by design and thus a bit overloaded compared to other champions. I don't think that champions like that are inherently bad for the game though.
Epilogue of Life1 votesA single target nuker easily taking down a tank who is below 50% HP? Oh my gosh, what a fucking nightmare, let's remove him at once! And if you wanna see dodging skillshots, look at fucking Fizz.
Only Play Darius2 votes
is the only assassin in the game that actually has a notably strong laning phase, that's just his gimmick and one of his strengths. Agreed the mana regen nerfs helped him become a top-tier midlaner, but 
buffs mean that it's a little easier for mana users to lane against him, and cinderhulk means he has a miserable time doing things after lane is over.
kile1471 votesI'm fine with him having a good laning phase, he becomes problematic though when "the strongest lane phase of any assassin" becomes "the strongest lane phase of any midlaner". When he's strong he can outclear you, out-sustain you, make riskier plays than you because he has a good escape, and roam better because he's an assassin who can use his ult to gank another lane if you don't give him the chance to use it on you. Unlike some champs who tend to faceroll in lane (
, 
), he doesn't need 3 kills by 10 minutes in order to stay relevant because if the meta favors him (which it really doesn't now I'll admit) he scales reasonably well by just keeping his CS up, which he can generally do because his kit lets him do that even when behind in lane.
Cinderhulk and his ult nerfs have made his life after the laning phase hellish and while cinderhulk being popular is just him being out of meta right now, the ult nerfs were pretty bad and not at all what he needed.
BlacksSmokeCrack16 votesZed is good against chimpanzees who have never played the game before.
As for trying to play Zed against competent players? Yea that's not gonna happen. Which is why he's never picked/banned in Plat + or in competitive.
SwapShadows8 votesZed is good against chimpanzees who have never played the game before.
As for trying to play Zed against competent players? Yea that's not gonna happen. Which is why he's never picked/banned in Plat + or in competitive.
inb4 massive game knowledgeable silvers downvote you for going against their massive game knowledge
Subject 54 votesZed is good against chimpanzees who have never played the game before.
As for trying to play Zed against competent players? Yea that's not gonna happen. Which is why he's never picked/banned in Plat + or in competitive.
Darn it! I could have sworn professional mid laners played Zed mid! Oh well!
BlacksSmokeCrack6 votes[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HHoihfI4,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-07-14T08:45:19.582+0000)
Darn it! I could have sworn professional mid laners played Zed mid! Oh well!
Zed mid hasn't been picked since MSI, where it was played twice by the same player.
Incarnation played it once and failed hard core mode
and yeaaa that was it.
Nobody plays Zed mid in competitive.
SwapShadows3 votesZed mid hasn't been picked since MSI, where it was played twice by the same player.
Incarnation played it once and failed hard core mode
and yeaaa that was it.
Nobody plays Zed mid in competitive.
It's hard to make Zed work against competent players, the only reason people ever complain about him is because his laning phase is really strong but the downside to that is his mid/late is ridiculously weak if the enemy can use their brains and well let's face it.... most people in silver aren't going to use their brains.
Subject 53 votesZed mid hasn't been picked since MSI, where it was played twice by the same player.
Incarnation played it once and failed hard core mode
and yeaaa that was it.
Nobody plays Zed mid in competitive.
Darn it! I should have known Msi was the only continent/competitive sponsor that has ever existed!
SwapShadows2 votes[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HHoihfI4,comment-id=0000000100000001,timestamp=2015-07-14T09:16:02.244+0000)
Darn it! I should have known Msi was the only continent/competitive sponsor that has ever existed!
Except if you don't count MSI, zed is rarely ever picked in any pro game out there.
Any pro that picks zed is usually doing it for the hype
Subject 52 votesExcept if you don't count MSI, zed is rarely ever picked in any pro game out there.
Any pro that picks zed is usually doing it for the hype
Darn it! I must have been watching something back in 2014 on live!
BlacksSmokeCrack9 votes[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HHoihfI4,comment-id=000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-14T10:31:18.883+0000)
Darn it! I must have been watching something back in 2014 on live!
This just in, Zed being strong in 2014 does not make him strong now.
PhDs Nuts1 votesThis just in, Zed being strong in 2014 does not make him strong now.
None of Zed's targets have changed since the meta shifted. ADCs are still ADCs, APCs are still APCs. Both are still typically squishy. I don't recall him ever jumping in for an ult on Shen/Renekton/Jax.
I Miss Cannon4 votesBut i would like to see how you plan to kill a target with the massive frontlines in this meta.
BlacksSmokeCrack3 votesBut i would like to see how you plan to kill a target with the massive frontlines in this meta.
There are no frontlines in silver.
The tanks sit 10 feet behind their tower like they're capable of dying in 1 auto. Meanwhile the carries are trying to walk up to melee range.
Anidan1 votesAfter having watched my friend battle to Silver: There are frontlines. The problem isn't the frontlines or lack thereof, it's the lack of follow-up when the frontlines do anything and the not-yet-fully-developed sense of when is the best time to go in for an engage. So even in my friend's upper bronze/low silver games Zed isn't a good pick.
And we won't talk about B5/4 because even my friend in B5/4 says that pretty much anything goes because almost no one there (himself included) is able to do much of a damn thing about the pick specifically so bringing up Zed there would be a moot point.
magic pole1 voteslol these guys xD
Defied Death1 votesWoah woah, yes they do. CJ Entus vs Najin e-mFire on 7/15/2015. Zed is picked up by Ggoong against Coco's Ezreal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMh6DaNNfg
Does that mean Zed is only disabled in NA?
Karen Kujo8 votesStill waiting for an Annie bug so she gets disabled for weeks.
Too bad she so simple that it's imposible to even happen.
I Miss Cannon1 votesGood thing everyone bans her in my elo
B3ER3 votesTrust me, mate. With Devourer Yi being as strong as he is, you're gonna wish you had an Annie on your team.
NemeBro4 votesI have no clue if hes a top pick in silver or bronze but stfu with this corny overused joke, he's barely even a rare pick; he is practically a ultra rare pick at this point so what does disabling have to do with it?
I too have been in these elos and complaining about things that I could easily prevent didn't help me get better.
If you're complaining about a Zed then you are in for a tough climb.
Before he was disabled, Zed had like the eighth highest pick rate in mid lane in plat and up.
Zed's not overpowered at all, nor particularly frustrating to play against, that's true, but he was a fairly common pick.
SwapShadows4 votesBefore he was disabled, Zed had like the eighth highest pick rate in mid lane in plat and up.
Zed's not overpowered at all, nor particularly frustrating to play against, that's true, but he was a fairly common pick.
I see a zed once every 20 games and I play quite a bit
Greymoore4 votesSeems people have never heard of 
. If a champion forces you to change your build path then people instantly whine about it...then complain about being stuck in X rank while claiming to deserve better.
BlacksSmokeCrack6 votes[{quoted}](name=Over Lord Kida,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HHoihfI4,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-07-14T12:17:37.055+0000)
Seems people have never heard of
. If a champion forces you to change your build path then people instantly whine about it...then complain about being stuck in X rank while claiming to deserve better.
Can't cleanse death mark... the fuck
Greymoore2 votesfixed
iainB854 voteshttp://i59.tinypic.com/11ukjgi.jpg
Who would've guessed the OP is a Zed main?
...but please, go ahead and tell me how you are coincidentally defending the champion you have 3x as many wins with than any other champion, and tell me how you play him because you like a challenge.
TomA3X13 votes
The Loveless4 votesHe's still balanced and there was a damn good thread on it months ago: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/0LU4VGZv-ill-tell-you-why-riot-think-zeds-a-healthy-assassin
Only people late to the bandwagon are hating on Zed this week. There's nothing frightening about Zed unless he does what ANY other champ can do: have 6 items.
WutsKraken2 votesLast Zed I ever saw fed hard
SUPER HARD
It was my Zed, he fed a goddamn Sona :c
2nd last time I saw one: He fed a goddamn Veigar
manbearswine2 votesI have no clue if hes a top pick in silver or bronze but stfu with this corny overused joke, he's barely even a rare pick; he is practically a ultra rare pick at this point so what does disabling have to do with it?
I too have been in these elos and complaining about things that I could easily prevent didn't help me get better.
If you're complaining about a Zed then you are in for a tough climb.
He's at 10% pickrate on lolking(as in,before this patch),average pickrate is 10/126(10 champions per game,out of 126 total champions(we are at 126 champions,right?)) which is about 8%,so he is somewhat above average in popularity(might be worth noting that it falls a bit as you move higher in elos).
tl;dr I wouldn't call zed a rare pick(Yeah,that's the entire point I'm making,I'm NOT saying anything else).
Edit: might be worth noting mid laners have err...more options so 10% is actually pretty high,assuming he only goes mid that is.
The Hate Boat2 votesHe's nowhere near "ultra-rare", and he's a very annoying champ for players to deal with, regardless of strength.
Also, as a champion so many people consider "high skill", it only stands to reason that he'd be STRONGER in the higher tiers, rather than weaker like you're implying.
SwapShadows1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Hate Boat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HHoihfI4,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2015-07-14T18:24:22.097+0000)
He's nowhere near "ultra-rare", and he's a very annoying champ for players to deal with, regardless of strength.
Also, as a champion so many people consider "high skill", it only stands to reason that he'd be STRONGER in the higher tiers, rather than weaker like you're implying.
With a champion like Zed who has a ton of counters, going up in elo only matches you with better players that can use those counters.
The Hate Boat1 votesWhich champions do you feel have fewer counters?
LaceUp231 votes7th most picked and 7th most banned.
What world do you live in that this is "ultra-rare"?
LaceUp232 votesYeah, Zed was the 7th most picked mid champion before this latest patch. He was also picked 7th most while being banned 7th most as well. I'm not even saying I agree or disagree with you, but you probably shouldn't make stuff up in trying to prove your point. That is what Faux news does....and nobody besides Faux news wants to be Faux news.
Sundragon871 votesYes because a level 14 knows best
LaceUp231 votesGreat thing about statistics, they don't care what level you are. They are still what they are. Zed being the 7th most picked champ WHILE being banned 7th most is not "ultra rare pick" in any way, shape, or form. Fact. Doesn't take a diamond player to realize that. Stop spreading your Faux news logic, please.
Sundragon871 votesLink for proof? Again I'm sorry being level 14 you must be EXTREAMLY knowledgeable about league my bad
Rikari2 votesI look at your name and i think you're up to something
