Zilean gets a 99% 2.5 second slow that doesn't decay

Kingsgrave·Feb 10, 2015·29 votes·13,054 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LQeOe3ZXg

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/210-pbe-update.html

136 Comments

Meep ManFeb 10, 201520 votes

99% slow for 2.5 seconds isnt a problem. We have someone with a 3 second root. I mean sure it can miss, but it also does damage and has a longer range.

Im more fearful of the 99% movement speed boost for 2.5 seconds to allies. Good luck outrunning that Nasus, Garen, Darius, etc. now.

KingsgraveFeb 10, 201510 votes

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99% slow for 2.5 seconds isnt a problem. We have someone with a 3 second root. I mean sure it can miss, but it also does damage and has a longer range.

Im more fearful of the 99% movement speed boost for 2.5 seconds to allies. Good luck outrunning that Nasus, Garen, Darius, etc. now.

Didn't Olaf get nerfed a while back because of Sivir's R making him actually viable?

I feel like we are going to see both Olaf and Hecarim in LCS.

WheatloafFeb 10, 20153 votes

Oh my god please. I'd be terrified to see how much damage that Hecarim would do.

Calculations time:

345 base ms + 60 ms (from presumed Swifties) = 405 ms 405 ms * 0.99 (Zilean's new maxed-out E) = 400.95 400.95 * 0.3 (Hecarim's max-level passive) = 120.285 bonus AD

And that's just what he'd be getting from this one spell, not to mention anything else, or even the boots he is assumed to have in these calculations.

Knight SoIaire Feb 10, 20152 votes

diminished returns i suppose it worked on any source of ms didnt it ?

KnalxzFeb 11, 20154 votes

Hecarim : Zilean, NOW! Zilean : E, item 3069 Hecarim : E summoner 6 item 3800 item 3142 item 3117 Hecarim FOR THE WOBBLE WII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ght8VpVCei0

Lissandra : PENTAKILL-LEGENDARY! Hecarim and to think, URF IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER!

JevelFaithfulFeb 11, 20151 votes

Wasn't he disabled at the end of the last URF?

KnalxzFeb 12, 20152 votes

Nope, Riot couldn't catch him.

Kitten of EvilFeb 10, 201525 votes

What? You mean Kalista might actually struggle to outrun someone? THE HORROR!

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20152 votes

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What? You mean Kalista might actually struggle to outrun someone? THE HORROR!

Unless they just give it to Kalista, which is somewhat pointless because your MS doesnt speed up the jumps.

But yeah with a 99% slow on Kalista she would have a really hard time jumping I would imagine.

Ariel the CruelFeb 10, 201510 votes

move speed doesn't affect her jumps in any way.

And Atk speed Kali still will be unreachable.

JevelFaithfulFeb 11, 20151 votes

It's purely her boot level?

Ariel the CruelFeb 11, 20152 votes

boots = distance. Atk speed = cooldown.

She could have 0 move speed. It makes 0 difference as long as she's attacking something. conversely, she could have 1 000 move speed. it makes 0 difference while she's attacking something.

A Superb VillainFeb 10, 201513 votes

"There is too much mobility in the game! Who will save us?!"

Zilean "My time is now."

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20156 votes

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"There is too much mobility in the game! Who will save us?!"

"My time is now."

Prepare your butts for Hecarim Zilean Sivir

A Superb VillainFeb 10, 201510 votes

Quinn "Zilean, to me!"

Who needs Valor to close the gap?

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20155 votes

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"Zilean, to me!"

Who needs Valor to close the gap?

Karma is kinda overshadowed now in the speed up the dudes department

Zilean Karma? I don't have time for that!

Ariel the CruelFeb 11, 20152 votes

item 3070 Thresh

LankPantsFeb 11, 20152 votes

I'd say it kind of does the opposite. If I'm mobile and get hit by a 99% slow I don't really care where as if I'm immobile it screws me over royally.

PhoenixSlayer13Feb 11, 201513 votes

When Zilean says slow down, you slow the fuck down.

Fitz n The FoolFeb 10, 20157 votes

Oh god. Zilean E's Hecarim, Singed, Olaf, Darius, or Wukong. Stuff of nightmares.

HawkefireFeb 10, 20154 votes

Dunkmaster Yi is back in business folks!

PhifeFeb 10, 20156 votes

The return of the god.

MrBuffingtonFeb 10, 20156 votes

Double bomb is an AoE stun. Holy.

EDIT: it's not only a 99% slow. It's also a 99% speed buff. wat

AnonagonFeb 10, 20156 votes

"hey guys we are making Zilean's Q a skillshot!"

sound of players rejoicing

"heheehehehehehehe, not like he's going to be able to miss it"

Spacesuit SpiffFeb 10, 20156 votes

Watch the LCS be full of Zil/Hec/Olaf... and then soloq is suddenly full of Olaf because "dude he's op they picked him in LCS" even if there isn't a Zilean

Rinky DinkyFeb 10, 20151 votes

I would love that because I could go back to every single thread where someone said Olaf was a bad champion in all situations and laugh at them

SaltyKrackaFeb 11, 20154 votes

They wouldn't be wrong if Rito hadn't deliberately did a rework to change things.

Also, watch it get nerfed.

Poptart EvelynnFeb 10, 20155 votes

Nerfed his mid and buffed his support... Interesting. He might actually be good with these changes in support role.

CrazedPorcupineFeb 10, 20154 votes

I'm personally incredibly excited for the New Zilean.

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20153 votes

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I'm personally incredibly excited for the New Zilean.

Somewhat disappointed they didn't rework his passive at all, but the Q buff is amazing.

MrBuffingtonFeb 10, 20152 votes

I'm sad they cut his AA range; I really like that about him. But the changes to his Q and E are really cool; I want to play him now lol

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20153 votes

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I'm sad they cut his AA range; I really like that about him. But the changes to his Q and E are really cool; I want to play him now lol

Most likely because they wanted him to have less range to harass without bomb usage.

Fitz n The FoolFeb 10, 20154 votes

Uh wait. So theyre giving him a HUGE nuke with a STUN attached, as well as a almost PERMA 99% Slow? Or am I reading it wrong? Please tell me I'm reading that wrong....

300 damage + 80% of AP WTF

KingsgraveFeb 10, 201514 votes

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Uh wait. So theyre giving him a HUGE nuke with a STUN attached, as well as a almost PERMA 99% Slow? Or am I reading it wrong? Please tell me I'm reading that wrong....

300 damage + 80% of AP WTF

Well he only has 1 damage spell, but yeah he can basically do 600 damage to people in an AoE while also stunning them.

TIME JESUS

TsundayFeb 10, 20153 votes

Except there is a hard low cap so that you really can't go below a 75% slow anyway. If it decayed it wouldn't really decay until it hit below 75% anyway.

JefftiffyFeb 10, 20152 votes

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Except there is a hard low cap so that you really can't go below a 75% slow anyway. If it decayed it wouldn't really decay until it hit below 75% anyway.

Nope its an exception just like Thresh box. You can not excede that slow cap unless you have it straight up nice try.

TsundayFeb 10, 20153 votes

Additional Information: Movement speed cannot be reduced below 110, and slows that would reduce it below 220 are modified. To put it another way: a reduction of 99% will not reduce you to 3 movement speed, but rather it will reduce you closer to 110 than a weaker slow would. Without slow resist from Relentless mastery s3.png Relentless or Boots of Swiftness item.png Boots of Swiftness, your movement speed will be between 110 and 120.

That is from Thresh's wiki page listed as the Additional information for his ult, nice try.

CrazedPorcupineFeb 10, 20151 votes

A hard cap on how slow someone can move. Dota Uses it as well, where 100% slows exist, but they don't actually snare the person, simply drop them down to a specific move speed.

TsundayFeb 10, 20152 votes

That's what I said the first time, that a 99% slow is actually about a 75% because of the cap and the person above me basically told me that wasn't how it worked on abilities like Zil's W and Thresh's R that specifically stated 99%

Meep ManFeb 10, 20153 votes

Cool Down Runes Zilean anyone? Mad Level 2 Bombing.

AxlStreamFeb 11, 20153 votes

I already hated Zilean since I started playing this game with his point and click double nuke. My bans are ready.

Big Bang BobFeb 10, 20152 votes

looks at thread

That is kinda insane.

Reads the update

THIS IS BEYOND INSANE!!! ARE YOU TELLING ME IF I GET WITHIN RANGED AUTOATTACK RANGE OF THIS GUY AND HE GETS CDR, HE CAN BASICALLY SNARE ME, LAND A GUARANTEED BOMB, REWIND, STUN ME, AND THEN SLOW ME AGAIN!!! THAT'S A TOTAL OF 6 SECONDS SPENT NOT MOVING THAT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IF I HAVE NO BLINKS OR DASHES!!!

Calm down Bob. Riot would never allow something like this. You obviously missed a very important detail. Just wait and someone will politely come and correct you.

VardenSaladFeb 11, 201511 votes

Nope. This is the power non-blink/dash champions are supposed to wield. He also has only one damage spell. Time Lord Zilean has utility in spades.

Tannhäuser GateFeb 11, 20152 votes

Relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DlK6UYv42c

Celeste BenalFeb 11, 20151 votes

I just burst out laughing at work. Can't stop. omg is that funny.

cocacolalipsFeb 11, 20152 votes

They are completely out of the loop with the crowd control powercreep. (talking about the new extra stun on Q)

Adding more stuns everywhere is NOT a solution. Teamfights are already impossible to navigate around, you are constantly slowed by something somewhere and you also get knocked up, knocked back, stunned, snared, and back and forth every single second.

Do they not play their own game? Do you even teamfight riot?

PrinceOfStormsFeb 10, 20151 votes

How would Zilean trigger the stun though? The bomb detonates after three seconds and the CD is 12/11/10/9/8

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20157 votes

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How would Zilean trigger the stun though? The bomb detonates after three seconds and the CD is 12/11/10/9/8

You land a second bomb. You have Rewind.

OnegarionFeb 11, 20151 votes

The one thing I hope people arne' t leaving out is that now his Q is like Corki Q. Its a lobbed ability that also works similar to fizz ult where when you walk into the center it attaches to you. Then he has to do it again to you. So while I think it will end up being to strong its not nearly as easy to put 2 bombs on someone as it is on Live right now.

KingsgraveFeb 11, 20152 votes

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The one thing I hope people arne' t leaving out is that now his Q is like Corki Q. Its a lobbed ability that also works similar to fizz ult where when you walk into the center it attaches to you. Then he has to do it again to you. So while I think it will end up being to strong its not nearly as easy to put 2 bombs on someone as it is on Live right now.

Its not super difficult to place them either. Its more of a buff than a nerf honestly.