You know how cool it would be if balance actually existed?

Onotori·Mar 23, 2018·2 votes·223 views

Just think... games wouldn't be decided at champ select based on who picked the more "balanced" champs.

But that'd be silly, right?

10 Comments

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 23, 20185 votes

Since you are such an expert, what PvP games have you worked on? What is your industry experience? How many concurrent players has your system seen?

Where is your experience from that makes you think you can balance a highly complex system better than Riot can?

Kai GuyMar 23, 20182 votes

Mobas cant be balanced with out gutting skill caps. Don't bother trying. Aim for a Wide selection of viable comps and strategies and healthy engaging gameplay across various MMRS.

OnotoriMar 23, 20182 votes

Yeah they certainly can, if you give a fuck beyond money... which Riot / Tencent don't.

redniwediSMar 23, 20186 votes

Riot and Tencent are not behind other MOBA games, yet they all follow the same balance system of attempting for many viable characters and compositions that are cycled between by the natural progression of game balance/additions.

If you want to read up on the basic idea behind it look up Perfect Imbalance. I'm not really going to bother explaining it here because I'll probably butcher the explanation and give you the wrong idea.

OnotoriMar 23, 20181 votes

Did I say they were? No? Hm.

And "perfect imbalance" doesn't mean the same thing as "tier list." It means every class / champ / deck / whatever system the game uses has its own strengths and weaknesses, with a roughly equal power budget throughout the game.

In League, there is no such fucking thing. There are certain champs that are just hands down better in every way than the rest, even in the same class, and anything else may as well not be pickable for how weak they are relative to said freelo.

redniwediSMar 23, 20183 votes

Kai Guy made a statement on MOBA games, and you replied with a statement specifically about Riot. You can hopefully see why I decided to specify what I did.

League's class system does fit the bill for a perfect imbalance system. Individual characters are allowed to be outliers, because the idea of perfect imbalance applies to the classes more than the characters. Your idea of how things work seems way to rigid to actually describe the reality of any MOBA, including League.

Kai GuyMar 24, 20181 votes

Red well said thanks for standing up mate. Much obliged. This work as a good example?

@Konotori. Please list examples well balanced mobas.

redniwediSMar 24, 20182 votes

I completely forgot about that series! Yeah, that works perfectly, and thanks for reminding me about them.