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As a jungler and support, its an ADC "meta"

SwiftKitten88··68 votes·4,224 views

i am tried of the "oh its just circlejerk"

i play jungle and support.

unless the top laner is Nasus i can make SOO much more impact on the game just buy ganking bot and mid over and over than i could ever do helping top. and ganking mid helps prevents roams from thier mid laner, also drag is right between mid and bot. so unless i am clearing my top jungle and their top lane is absurdly out of position. there is no real point in ganking top

top make no difference to the outcome becuase ADC's have broken itemization. so if they even get a SLIGHT lead.. they snowball out of control and instead of "nerfing" ADC's because they do burst per second can can burst down the assassins or burst mages trying to kill them.. they just buffed assassins, then they buffed shields.. and all this comes back to ADC's and damage creep

Sustained>Tanks >Burst > Sustained

that is the cycle of league

but when ADC's do "sustained burst" the that cycle breaks because they then counter everything.

YES riot.. shields DO need to be nerfed and assasins DO need to be nerfed as well.. but you need to address ADC's FIRST.

and yes the item 3087 charges are a good start

114 Comments

Rainfall15 votes

actually junglers are overtuned right now,playing top is pretty much being a jungle camp for the enemy jungler or making the enemy a jungle camp for your jungler,which is part of the reason a lot of top main abandoned the role. I know that your post will get upvoted a lot beacause the boards are biased,Talk about supports and assasins being weak and the upvotes will come by the hundreds,even when janna was the most broken thing in the game the first post on the hotpage was to nerf tristana.

Velzard of Koz9 votes

Talk about supports and assasins being weak and the upvotes will come by the hundreds

I mean a lot of people hate Assasins here, too.

Shablagoo2 votes

I have a feelling you overextend with no ward lvl 2 or never ward, or your jungle doesnt do the right thing and gank other lanes. Honestly even if I do camp top as jungle I dont feel like I impact the game as much.

Shablagoo13 votes

Sorry why do assassins need to be nerfed? I dont see how considering supports where able to protect their adc without all the sshield and healing increase.

Also that is a adc meta, if ganking one lane rather then another brings more impact to the game then it proves that that role is actually the most important one. You gank mid to stop roams where? Bot because if bot wins you win. Hence the constant complaint about the literal zero impact of top.

Selec11 votes

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Z3Sleeper48 votes

As a top main, I really have no clue what's going on cuz by the time I leave lane one of the nexuses is destroyed.

GigglesO18 votes

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As a top main, I really have no clue what's going on cuz by the time I leave lane one of the nexuses is destroyed.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

FatedSaviour4 votes

the cycle of stacks continue, they will feed, i will too

no to toxic10 votes

Person with no idea on how the game works makes a circlejerk thread despite his 2 roles being the reason top is so useless right now. Also silver player who recently lost a game to a adc and now thinks the class is unfair because their items makes them deal damage when they get fed.

Ahri Baka10 votes

Sorry dude , no , Top has a huge impact to the game , I don't care about downvotes , It's a junglers meta , an adc can't carry if he has no tank or anyone to let him position well or peelers , you are you one the people who are making this bot lane meta a thing by camping there , mid and top laners can carry too when they are fed.

Jerry SeinfeId9 votes

As a jungler and support, its an ADC "meta"

this might be good.

starts circlejerking instead of admitting his 2 roles are part of the problem

yeh, cya.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H4I6Rkzm,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-03-21T18:54:53.136+0000)

this might be good.

yeh, cya.

He is actually right though, Junglers may have a significant impact on the game but they have always been driven to champions/lanes based upon the overlying metagame. If the ADC is the one that determine the game being won, then the jungler is naturally going to place his influence upon that ADC lane. If Mid is the rage, then they will be going mid, because their impact is greatest at the early onset of the game especially after the repeated changes made to speed up League play.

The idea that junglers are the ones that dictate the meta isn't entirely accurate. As long as the ADC lane remains as influential as it is, you will always see junglers placing high priority over them than any other lane. Some roles are forced into playing or behaving a certain way due to another role which doesn't look immediately meaningful but has a greater effect the more they are invested.

Jerry SeinfeId3 votes

Jungle and support decide the bot lane, the adc barely matters during laning.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H4I6Rkzm,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2018-03-21T23:25:03.671+0000)

Jungle and support decide the bot lane, the adc barely matters during laning.

The jungle and the support assist the ADC so they can carry the game. If it wasn't for this, you would see the jungler impacting mid and top rather than solely bottom lane. I am not discounting the influence a jungler possesses, this is simply an intrinsic factor to their role since they add another person to a fight. If they didn't, there would be no reason to play a jungler if they had no impact on the game.

As it stands, because the ADC plays such a strong role when fed, the jungler will always focus the ADC lane first.

CaiTségtelen7 votes

As a ADC, its a jungle "meta". I need to wait at least 20 min to become "OP" but junglers can gank me billion times and delay this time.

SociaI Justice6 votes

i mean yeah it is a bot lane meta but this thread also summs up perfectly why you are silver.

SwiftKitten8836 votes

[{quoted}](name=SociaI Justice,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H4I6Rkzm,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-21T16:14:32.493+0000)

i mean yeah it is a bot lane meta but this thread also summs up perfectly why you are silver.

you know if you want to insult a player's "skill level" by looking at the account they are posting from, it's best not to do it posting from a lvl 12 account.

best Evaine EU1 votes

well i can't post from my main account due to the region its on but maybe this one will make you happy. anyhow top lane is still the best carry lane in soloQ and not taking that into account is retarded, of course in low elo it might not matter but it is an important lane.

Superspick9 votes

But not more important than mid or bot, fact.

best Evaine EU1 votes

well that just completely depends on the team comps and champion picks now doesn't it

Serious4Why6 votes

Bot lane is stronger than top lane, 14/0 bruiser vs. 14/0 Varus, Varus wins 80% of the time.

best Evaine EU8 votes

a fed camille will absolutely destroy any adc you can imagine and rest of the team as well. a fed jax, irelia, fiora, wukong, kayle and akali will have more impact than your varus as well.

ProtoMMXVII2 votes

[{quoted}](name=best Evaine EU,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H4I6Rkzm,comment-id=0003000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-03-21T21:29:19.932+0000)

a fed camille will absolutely destroy any adc you can imagine and rest of the team as well. a fed jax, irelia, fiora, wukong, kayle and akali will have more impact than your varus as well.

Sadly the game isn't a 1v1 fest. With the exception of Kayle (who takes like 30 minutes to become relevant anyways), a fed Varus, or even a late game Varus, will easily beat out any of the champions you picked. The fact that you think duelers or assassins can outclass equally fed ADCs is pretty sad, especially because of how passionate you seem about (losing) this argument.

best Evaine EU2 votes

its hilarious how little you know about the game to think that my comment was about them beating the adcs 1v1, especially considering the choice of words in "will have more impact" rather than "kill them 1v1". well i guess playing only blind pick and aram allows this ignorance.

saltran2 votes

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Bot lane is stronger than top lane, 14/0 bruiser vs. 14/0 Varus, Varus wins 80% of the time.

Maybe because there's also a 0/0/14 Supp in this case?

FlameadoDeKoorvo2 votes

BINGO

Hópe2 votes

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But not more important than mid or bot, fact.

Actually top lane in low to mid elo is still the best carry lane.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Anyone else like how mid elo players come to tell low elo players how it is to play in low elo

Hópe2 votes

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Anyone else like how mid elo players come to tell low elo players how it is to play in low elo

Us plat shitters climbed from silver.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Nice try mr.jungle main. No it's the other way round the higher you go the less important toplane gets.

best Evaine EU3 votes

if you look through my account more carefully you will come to realize that i main top lane with smite not jungle. i love to complain about the state of top lane as much as the next guy and all the cancer riot has pushed into the lane but saying top lane doesn't have an impact is just retarded.

Z3Sleeper2 votes

That reply is probably why he's a level 12 scrub lol.

We level shaming now boiz

AirKingNeo6 votes

As an ADC and Top player, this is a Support ADC meta, where Fleet Footwork should be removed, Trist nerfed, Xayah nerfed, and supports nerfed (especially during laning and certain items).

50ShadesOfÀDC1 votes

Ff is shit atm on carries atm

SpongebobIsLife2 votes

wrong. I don't think it's op though, but late game, especially thanks to RFC increasing the rate at which they get energized, they don't really need lifesteal and can opt for straight raw damage.

Mizaya6 votes

I hear a lot of people complaining that their role is secondary support to ADC.

Yes, yes it is, if you've failed to play better than your opponent(s), you can always play secondary support. Meanwhile in my games a shyvana can destroy our jungler and proceed to roflstomp me (the ADC) and everyone else.

That's the way the "team game" is set up in league. I don't like it as an ADC player, but whatever.

Z3Sleeper5 votes

Nah even if it is Nasus. Most of the time ganking him is meaningless, he's still gonna hit his un-duel-able level 6 powerspike regardless.

You should only ever gank top in like the first 5 minutes of the game, and even then you don't really have to. After that never touch that lane.

King Kog5 votes

ADC's spend the first ten minutes trying to hit level 6, they scale well which means their early is weak as shit. punish them and reap your reward with a victory, if not then go post another discussion like this one wondering why a 4 item adc does damage.

Handy Sandy 3 votes

ADC's spend the first ten minutes trying to hit level 6

Most adcs don't care much about their level 6, which is why they're in a duo lane.

they scale well which means their early is weak as shit.

This is the problem: they aren't weak early anymore. Instead of the game revolving around them at 30 minutes, it revolves around them once they step out of their base.

scaling well doesn't mean your early is weak, remember when caitlyn was meta?

King Kog3 votes

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Most adcs don't care much about their level 6, which is why they're in a duo lane.

This is the problem: they aren't weak early anymore. Instead of the game revolving around them at 30 minutes, it revolves around them once they step out of their base.

scaling well doesn't mean your early is weak, remember when caitlyn was meta?

You are probably playing the adc that powerfarms and lets the ignite janna spam W until the lane is won. An adc's performance directly correlates how well his support is doing. One of the reasons ardent was one of the most stupid items in the game since it granted supports so much extra influence to their adc and just made them unkillable. Its not just the adc, its the resources and stats that are funneled into him at any given moment or teamfight thatll make them op. I'd rather it be 1v9 adc meta than this shit meta where you need to rely on supports and jungle ganks to fuel you in winning teamfights and ultimately the game

big boi edri4 votes

Well if SwiftKitten88 said it, it must be true. Fuck everything else, that's all the confirmation I need.

Thimes v24 votes

Meanwhile highest winrate champions in game: Warwick 56.03% Janna 54.59% Shaco 54.48% Udyr 54.34%

Acheron165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Thimes v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H4I6Rkzm,comment-id=0020,timestamp=2018-03-22T06:50:45.594+0000)

Meanwhile highest winrate champions in game: Warwick 56.03% Janna 54.59% Shaco 54.48% Udyr 54.34%

Yeah man, since adcs are "so OP" and "its an adc meta" I don't understand why people don't just spam adc until they reach diamond.

/s

OneMustFall4 votes

I don't agree with that statement at all. I've played countless games where both ADCs were almost completely irrelevant to the game. I primarily play top lane and I can tell you whoever wins top lane wins the game 75% of the time. That's just not the case with bot lane cause they rely on the team to protect them so if your ADC feeds but you still have good team fight ability, you win the game. But top laners get to the point where they can 1v2 or 1v3 and it doesn't matter cause they take over the game. Past 40 minutes ADCs rule the game as they should cause they have the DPS, wave clearing and tower killing ability. Before that though, I'm looking at top lane/mid.

Hópe4 votes

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i am tried of the "oh its just circlejerk"

i play jungle and support.

unless the top laner is Nasus i can make SOO much more impact on the game just buy ganking bot and mid over and over than i could ever do helping top. and ganking mid helps prevents roams from thier mid laner, also drag is right between mid and bot. so unless i am clearing my top jungle and their top lane is absurdly out of position. there is no real point in ganking top

top make no difference to the outcome becuase ADC's have broken itemization. so if they even get a SLIGHT lead.. they snowball out of control and instead of "nerfing" ADC's because they do burst per second can can burst down the assassins or burst mages trying to kill them.. they just buffed assassins, then they buffed shields.. and all this comes back to ADC's and damage creep

Sustained>Tanks >Burst > Sustained

that is the cycle of league

but when ADC's do "sustained burst" the that cycle breaks because they then counter everything.

YES riot.. shields DO need to be nerfed and assasins DO need to be nerfed as well.. but you need to address ADC's FIRST.

and yes the item 3087 charges are a good start

I dont know if you remember, But less than a year ago we played together and I deleted you because you were a very ''mediocre'' player. And i know this will get massively downvoted but Im going to state my opinion on it.

ADCs are strong but the way you are describing it,It seems to me that you just dont know what you're doing.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I dont know if you remember, But less than a year ago we played together and I deleted you because you were a very ''mediocre'' player. And i know this will get massively downvoted but Im going to state my opinion on it.

ADCs are strong but the way you are describing it,It seems to me that you just dont know what you're doing.

i dont want to outright call you liar, but unless you changed your name.. i have no idea who u are.

"hope" does not remotely ring any bells...

Hópe2 votes

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i dont want to outright call you liar, but unless you changed your name.. i have no idea who u are.

"hope" does not remotely ring any bells...

It doesnt matter if you remember me or not, The point is adcs are not that strong to the point where your games are unwinnable or uncarryable.

Even top lane is a strong carry role in low to mid elo. Thats not an opinion. Top laner problems start occurring higher up. Bot lanes dont necessarily carry in bronze-silver hell id rather pick Zed and just steam roll from there.

Just Fight3 votes

Wish my Jungler's understood a tiny bit of this. Instead I let the enemy ADC push me into turret and my jungle will never show bot once. Then the wave will get pushed towards their turret and I'll get 4 man ganked. Then my team will start flaming me for losing turret and lane. Sums up every game as ADC in silver.

If I end up with a support main and not some troll autofill support.. I usually end up carrying the game. But when my support is a Evelynn and my jungle ignores bot lane, I get stomped.

JackMcSnipeyz3 votes

Played top, my secondary role, my main is adc. Lately i was sick of playing adc, it's always a role of the dice if you get a troll support or someone who knows what he's doing, that + having the jungler camp me, or my top feed his ass, i couldnt play it anymore unless i duo'd with my support.

Every game where i played top and won lane, i felt like i had impact, i play mainly swain and GP, but also a bit of ornn. If i was ahed, i would always have a good amount of impact on the map, either by split pushing with GP, or teleporting for teamfights with swain and ornn, i had impact, i carried fights, i had a game where i pretty much solo carried as swain after my botlane lost to a Draven. This isnt meant to be a comment about my skills, im not bragging, i had a couple of games where i lost my lane, you know what happened? my impact was very limited on the game, but that is NOT exclusive to ANY lane.

This broad statement "I'm a jungler player and BOTLANE IS THE PROBLEM" seems to bizzare to me, almost like scape goating "Oh i didnt lose because of my poor choices or my skills, it's because of the META, yea! that's the problem". Maybe you dont have impact because you're not as good as you think you are and need to improve, maybe if you upped your game you'd have impact on the game. You dont have to be top kills top damage to be the one who carried, sorry mate, adc will always be one of the classes who deal the most damage, they are the only class FORCED to build full glass cannon, they WILL deal damage, that's their entire role.

FNC Jinx3 votes

But it is just circlejerk. Your post only confirms the position further. Try playing 25 - 50 ADC Ranked games and see if your bias ideas even hold any ground.

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