So... guess we're going in 5.13 without Vlad+Rumble nerfs

Curling Veigar·Jul 4, 2015·32 votes·3,125 views

Get your perma bans ready, LoL community

59 Comments

MatezoideJul 4, 201520 votes

Mordekaiser Hahaha...yes, keep your attention on those fools...heheheHAHAHAHAHAHA!

MimaropaJul 4, 201510 votes

Huehuehuehuehue*

Ace Access Jul 4, 20154 votes

Shaco "It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic... Oh what the heck I'll laugh anyway. AHAHAHAHAHAHA"

PS: that line is from Batman: Return of the Joker

Suicidal ZedJul 4, 20151 votes

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Hahaha...yes, keep your attention on those fools...heheheHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Lol this gave me a chuckle

DJ Di0Jul 4, 201513 votes

Vlad's annoying enough as it is :(

But nope, AP Xin Zhao must be destroyed at all costs!!!1!

aaronconlinJul 4, 20152 votes

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Vlad's annoying enough as it is :(

But nope, AP Xin Zhao must be destroyed at all costs!!!1!

I think they nerfed AP Xin for Devourer, but they left Yi, Fizz, and Aatrox alone.. Lol

junglerboy16Jul 4, 20152 votes

well, Aatrox needs all the help he can get atm. Yi might get a nerf, and Fizz would be nerfed if they hadn't already reverted the change to his on-hit damage.

TrídentJul 4, 201513 votes

Teemo

ChaosThiefJul 4, 20151 votes

Get your item 3102 ready, because satan will demolish all weaklings.

Mandang0Jul 4, 20158 votes

...are you gonna nerf Azir and Ziggs too, when they'll be able to spam 40% slow? ...are you gonna nerf Cassiopeia and Viktor, who will scale even harder now? ...are you gonna nerf the other Liandry's users?

...or are you only going to think as far as whether something's manaless?

This concern over Riot not blanket nerfing champions when also rebalancing an entire set of items is ridiculous, and I hope Riot takes their time rather than swing too far on a bunch of champs and have to come back and buff the group up again (that is, if they even come back to buff them)

ChessburgerJul 4, 20151 votes

That's true, but why would they nerf ap xin then? He's the least of those offenders and people will just go bruiser xin like always anyway. They just nerfed an offbuild for very little reason

Silents429Jul 4, 20153 votes

He was nerfed because of the new devourer.

ChessburgerJul 4, 20151 votes

Holy shit I had a long answer ready but I accidentally hit cancel instead of post...

oh well, TL:DR think about yi's almost exponential increase in E on-hit damage (true or not) due to sated devourer's double scaling with both E and double strike passive. nerfing ap scaling heal on an off-build of a champion that's all around more effective built bruisery is basically logical inconsistency or there's another reason which I won't guess at.

Mandang0Jul 4, 20151 votes

Yea, I think the difference is that devourer's was a much more confined change, and with it the group of champions who will need a nerf after is easier to predict. I agree 100% that if AP Xin is getting nerfed, Yi (and other obvious beneficiaries of devourer) should be hit too.

If the AP item changes were just a buff to Liandry's or just a buff to Rylai's or just a buff to Seraph's, I'd be a lot more comfortable with Riot using preemptive nerfs, but when they're all being changed at the same time, I think the outcome is really hard to predict. Obviously the champs I listed are the ones I suspect, but there's maybe something that will blindside us all.

ChessburgerJul 5, 20151 votes

I just noticed I replied to the wrong person :P

And yeah you put it nicely, devourer is a confined case of just 1 item and the outcome is very clear for at least a few of the champions.

AnidanJul 5, 20152 votes

Difference being that if you were to ever get in a manfight with an AP Xin with Sated Devourer, you wouldn't win unless you can kite because he would outright drain-tank you harder than Aatrox could ever dream of. Yi will get more damage, but nothing more. AP Xin would become a God of split-pushing. Just get Sated Devourer, Nashors and Rabadon's and push towers with impunity, even without minion waves, for any tower in the game from full to dead. Yi can't do that.

And unless the enemy is able to ward in such a way that AP Xin outright can't sneak a tower (a feat in itself to ward so well) they'd still have to be able to react in time to do anything about it. Toss in a Lich Bane and he'll also duel fairly well and melt towers even faster. There's a reason AP Xin was nerfed but Yi may not need it quite as quickly.

All Yi would gain is damage, AP Xin would become a nightmare akin to old AP Tryndamere. Knock-up in two hits, enormous heals every two hits, with a disengaging ult that gives him armor and magic resist to escape with in addition.

junglerboy16Jul 4, 20154 votes

They're probably waiting because a fair number of champs that hold their own against vlad and rumble are also getting indirect buffs just like them. Notably Anivia Cassiopeia Karthus Kassadin Lissandra Malzahar Mordekaiser Ryze Swain Teemo and Velkoz .

MessaigaJul 4, 20151 votes

Don't forget , he's also going to benefit immensely.

junglerboy16Jul 4, 20151 votes

whoops, thought I clicked him (and Teemo too)

clickheadJul 4, 20151 votes

Benefit from what?

ChaosThiefJul 4, 20152 votes

item 3151 ? You know, the item that refreshes off of his passive %hp burn?

clickheadJul 5, 20151 votes

Yes I know I main Brand. But Liandry's torment already exists so i have no idea what you are talking about.

The LovelessJul 5, 20152 votes

It gets more AP, so now he gets to deal more spell damage, and it's probably not gonna be a bad item to rush now because of that. With proper runes and masteries, you can hit over 100 ap as soon as liandry is completed.

Plus you can buy ROA for health and mana AND more ap. the heal from wota will be good on everyone not just vlad. In fact vlad has no cc so other mages can abuse these items more and lock him down.

clickheadJul 5, 20151 votes

Oh that's nice, Brand buffs! Also Vlad can go to hell.

Mandang0Jul 4, 20151 votes

Good point.

Razgriz990Jul 4, 20152 votes

Viktor

CONSUME!!!

"quarda kill" escapes 3/4 hp Mwahahaha you'll never escape me with rylais!!

Q speed up/slow down E more slow Q speed up slow down chase ensues across map

ChaosThiefJul 4, 20151 votes

Hecarim's W is a DoT, so it's a 15% or 10% or whatever the DoT slow is. Not that strong, thank the lords of rito.

CrankyChipmonkJul 5, 20151 votes

except not with the coming rylais changes, which are the point of this thread. AOE will slow for the full 40% but for a shorter duration of 1 second.

ChaosThiefJul 5, 20151 votes

Riot said it will apply the weaker slow if multiple ones are present. Since hecarim's W is an AoE DoT, it will apply the DoT slow.

360D3GR3SSJul 4, 20152 votes

BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED NERFS. Vlad's early lane phase sucks against so many people and is easily exploited. Rumble is vulnerable to ganks and his all in lacks reliability, basically if his ultimate is placed even slightly disadvantageously, he becomes a burden to his team.

The Yetii RiderJul 4, 20151 votes

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BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED NERFS. Vlad's early lane phase sucks against so many people and is easily exploited. Rumble is vulnerable to ganks and his all in lacks reliability, basically if his ultimate is placed even slightly disadvantageously, he becomes a burden to his team.

And if his ult is placed not disadvantageously, he becomes a god who has destroyed the enemy team.

Also, Junkyard Titan is the most ridiculous passive in the entire game. It baits the enemy into attacking you because "Hey, he's silenced!" only to find out that he's packing some serious Heat. (Pun intended).

360D3GR3SSJul 4, 20152 votes

Which is how many champions are. If you use your AOE+CC skill correctly you become a "GOD". I do see the strength in his passive but I HATE the idea of being silenced that long. I personally think there are better passive's but rumble's suits him perfectly. Poppy's passive is pretty nuts. Echo's is up there too.

FeathermaneJul 4, 20152 votes

Vlad is already perma-ban as far as I'm concerned. And no one will play Rumble even if his winrate is 80%, so no worries there.

Critmaster GarenJul 4, 20152 votes

rumble is already stong enough as it is, becuase of the lack of early defensive options against magic damage. well. time to abuse freelo i guess.

Lost In TimeJul 4, 20152 votes

Not enough bans

Apparently we're still too busy banning Ekko because "reasons"

Having a trollpole on a 110 second cooldown is just too much for some people.

OnanThaManJul 4, 20151 votes

The only time I've had a blast playing against ekko was when i was Darius vs Ekko top. The little squirt thought he could duel me, how adorable.

Smitty ManjensenJul 4, 20153 votes

Meanwhile your most played champ in normals is Ekko.

Lost In TimeJul 4, 20151 votes

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Meanwhile your most played champ in normals is Ekko.

Pre-gutting.

Not even worth trying to play now.

Smitty ManjensenJul 4, 20154 votes

Gutted? Dafuq, when? If you think the mana cost on his ult is gutting then I seriously have no words for you.

Lost In TimeJul 5, 20151 votes

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Gutted? Dafuq, when? If you think the mana cost on his ult is gutting then I seriously have no words for you.

It's a combination of his pitiful mana pool, nerfing his early game harder with passive nerfs and then the un-needed nerf to his Q ratio.

+ the fact the community has learned how to play against him, yes, he was gutted.

NytemaricJul 4, 20151 votes

Only thing somewhat annoying on Ekko now is his ult range, which, you just have to get used to. Other than that, he's completely playable

A Miss FortuneJul 4, 20154 votes

Ekko is so overpowered that he can build tanky and go jungle, while he was designed to be played as an AP Mid assassin. Ekko can go Top, Jungle, Mid, and honestly he can Support really well to due to his CC, or at least all the times I have seen an Ekko Support it turned out great for our ADC.

Yeah, his ult that can one shot an entire team and almost work as a free second Guardian Angel, is pretty op enough for people to ban him. But the fact he has so much crowd control, damage, and even mobility is ridiculous. The champion is so overloaded.

JimmyNtheKudosJul 4, 20152 votes

See you on the other side boys, good thing AP Xin won't be abused.

Curling VeigarJul 4, 20152 votes

I won't be hypocritical; Veigar's going to be freaking ridiculous too

it's gonna be one hell of a patch

Count ZubatJul 4, 20152 votes

I also feel like Vladimir is going to be superstrong after those AP items changes. He will be able to heal much more during teamfights, and reworked item 3116 passive will be OP on him, pratically giving him infinite slow after he reaches level 9+. Also, that buff on item 3151 is just super sweet addition for him. After finishing item 3152 , item 3157 , , and item 3158 , he will deal insane damage, be nearly unkillable and noone without very strong mobility will be able to run away from him. I feel that nerf whip will strike him in 5.14, I just hope they won't Olaf him or something, because he is one of my favorite champs.

Doctor DymentJul 4, 20151 votes

I... I don't play ranked. God help me...

FirexSaberJul 4, 20153 votes

You can always play normal draft mode and still have bans.

SimplicateJul 4, 20151 votes

Vlad? Dude has highly exploitable weaknesses along with a crappy early game, he's in a decent spot imo. Turn your attention to that monster Morde

Count ZubatJul 4, 20152 votes

Mordekaiser a monster? Just poke him to hell and do not face check bushes and he's useless. Yeah, he's burst is insane (building full ap with Lich Bane provides about 1.5k damage only on his Q), but he has no mobility, and without his shield charged is squishy as hell. He's one of those completely out of meta picks, which are rarely good additions in team composition. Vision + decent mobility and good peel should make you safe from him, unless he flashes to kill you.