If its going to be on a 2 minute cool down then it should at least be a high moment for Volibear to be able to make use of.
Since this guy is a total bill champion right now, it would help to have added team value and soften up having possibly the single worst scaling in the game of any fighter champion.
Warlord Rhinark3 votesJust build this silly.
Jamaree1 votes30 percent of his max or theirs? Also, wouldn’t that just shoehorn him into the support role?
Moody P1 votesI don't see how you came to that conclusion.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gw56AZco,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-21T20:53:27.475+0000)
I don't see how you came to that conclusion.
Because it would be a passive that wouldn’t see any real practical use until late game and only really useful in skirmishes until then so people would likely try and support with him to make full use of it.
Rester1 votesAlistar 2.0?
heroikc1 votesTry Font of Life.
Red Mage FTS1 votesI really wanna say Volis passive healing others is like alistar, but without the cost of trample stax or whatever ali calls them. It would be insane, about to lose a team fight? FREE REDEMPTION!
Naw. Volis good.
Moody P1 votes2 minute CD vs alistar resetting on every takedown
heroikc4 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gw56AZco,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-03-21T21:42:15.332+0000)
2 minute CD vs alistar resetting on every takedown
Remember Voli heals for about 30% max health to Ali's 40-278, and that's without items 
or 
items or masteries like Revitalize.
Moody P1 votesremember voli is one of the worst champs in the game and alistar is top tier
karolmo4 votesHe's not one of the worst champs in the game tho. Ali is top tier because he has malphite ult at level 2 not because of his heal.
heroikc1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gw56AZco,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-21T21:49:58.051+0000)
remember voli is one of the worst champs in the game and alistar is top tier
Beg pardon? What season are you stuck in? Voli is probably one of the few good tank jungles in this season, and I got him to m6 pretty quickly, not to mention carry a few games.
kingDeDeDarius1 votesThis would be a neat idea, however, he would have to do reduced healing for them. Maybe they'd just heal 5 or 10 % of max ho, but that would still make a difference
KlydeFrog1 votesNah fam make it like eve and flow . On nami. More ap bigger increase per ally .
ZephyrDrake1 votesSure, as long as the passive CD increases the more allies are near him.
EbonyBladeJ881 votesI realize I'm a couple hours late, but...
Changing Voli's passive (I'm not an avid Voli player, I'll admit) to heal allies would be essentially changing his class. He wouldn't be a Juggernaut anymore, he'd become something more like a Warden/Enchanter with that passive. I was under the assumption Moody, that during those times when you do acknowledge that Voli needs some updates (A VGU, no need to mince words) that something like this wouldn't be what you would really want. I figured you'd want to keep him as a Juggernaut.
Moody P1 votesNothing Volibear does as a juggernaut becomes invalid because he actually has a useful function with this change
EbonyBladeJ881 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gw56AZco,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-03-22T01:22:54.889+0000)
Nothing Volibear does as a juggernaut becomes invalid because he actually has a useful function with this change
Actually this change, if such an idea were to go live, WOULD invalidate something about him. He'd no longer be all about himself. That may sound selfish or strange, but let me explain.
Juggernauts, for the most part (Yes, I fully realize LOL is a TEAM GAME and thus requires TEAM EFFORTS but still) are supposed to be Lone Wolves. They're supposed to be able to stand on their own two feet and crush anyone that opposes them.
Doesn't the description of the subclass itself suggest that after all?
"Juggernauts are melee titans who relentlessly march down the opposition and devastate those foolish enough to get within their grasp. They are the only subclass who excel at both dealing and taking significant amounts of damage, but in turn they have a tough time closing in on targets due to their low range and extremely limited mobility."
It doesn't mention anything about helping out their teammates, like say the Vanguards does.
"Vanguards are offensive tanks. Vanguards lead the charge for their team and are specialize at getting action started. Their explosive team fight initiation seeks to catch enemies out of position while allowing allies to follow-up to devastating effect."
So this change would turn Volibear's passive into a "Hey everyone on my team, gather around me and I'll heal you more than a freakin' Janna ult", than the Badass Bear who, like most his fellow Juggernauts, is shrugging off everything you send at him, kind of like the Doomguy/Doom Slayer when he's pulling off a Glory Kill from DOOM 2016.
Moody P1 votesSo a juggernaut might be useful
and that's bad
EbonyBladeJ881 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gw56AZco,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-22T01:58:52.707+0000)
So a juggernaut might be useful
and that's bad
You didn't understand what I was trying to get across.
The things in a Juggernaut's Kit are meant to, for the most part, help them AND THEM ALONE. Yes, they have their limited CC, but that's meant to either start a fight, or keep a target that they've already obtained IN THE FIGHT.
After all, can Garen grant his Regen to his teammates, or the true damage from the Villain passive? Or can Darius give his teammates his AD boost from Noxian Might? Can Trundle let his teammates use the MS Boost and other bonuses his Frozen Domain gives him?
Now, I'm NOT SAYING that a Juggernaut cannot be useful or helpful to his team, I am NOT SAYING THAT IN THE SLIGHTEST. I'm just saying that a Juggernaut's kit is meant to help them, and them alone.
Moody P1 votesyes and these juggernauts are trash for exactly that reason and always will be unless they get added utility . it's no coincidence the consistently strongest juggernauts are the ones with real utility value
trundle has massive team utility in AD and defense reduction alongside pillar
riots jugg design is massively flawed as is
Red Mage FTS1 votesHow about this-- Give everyone hard CC, no CDs, no cost bars, spellvamp and lifesteal, max range, healing, 1000000000 ap and MR, the ability to deal 100000% true damage, 2384 skins, and a special emote that flashes whenever you do a dope play.
Dude its called balance. If you dont like jugs, dont play jugs, simple.
Moody P1 votesIts not balance if its specifically unbalanced and juggernauts turn out some of the weakest champs in the game
Play a different MOBA to get some perspective on this. LOL is the only game where the least mobile lowest ranged class also gets made to have shit CC and little utility. Its not hard to wonder why the GOOD juggernauts don't follow the rule.
KlydeFrog1 votesAp voli bear is op
