LUCIAN PASSIVE GUTTED

If it's that bad then Riot will buff it back up a little. The best way to make them see is to keep playing him and show them the problem.

Meanwhile, in Cassiopeia land...

This nerf isn't "healthy". Lucian's winrate is already sub-50%. All of rhe complaints are just QQ.

when will the day come when people realize that winrate means nothing.

49.97% last I checked, hardly alarming.

Besides, Lucian didn't need a nerf because he was winning too many games. He needed a nerf because he is, at the highest levels of play, just flat out good at everything. He's a lane bully, he's got a super powerful mid game, and he's still very strong late game (very bursty with how his spells and passive work). Top that off with the fact that he's got insane wave clear (his passive and ult do extra damage to minions) and high mobility makes a lot of picks obsolete (Sivir: High waveclear, low mobility. Ezreal: High mobility, low waveclear). Essentially, Lucian crowds out other picks and is just a jack of all trades, end all sort of champion; if you look back at competitive play for the past year or so, Lucian's been there every single step of the way (also why Lee Sin, Kha'Zix, Orianna, Thresh, etc. are a bit problematic even though all of them have sub 50% win rates. There's been more support diversity and they're changing the jungle a lot to address the Lee/Kha problem; mid and ADC are the two roles where it's always been Ori/Lucian + whatever FOTM pick rises up before they get gutted by Riot. Heck, even mid lane has more diversity; basically any team composition that doesn't revolve around an ADC hypercarry, Lucian fits into).

I say the nerf is healthy because it shaves off some of Lucian's more oppressive power without gutting him completely; he's still going to be a lane bully, just not as oppressive. The time limit on his passive still fits in with how he'll use his passive, but limits abuse cases where he could do something like Q, wait for his cooldown, double shot + Q + doubleshot (he usually builds a little CDR and it has a 5 second cooldown at rank 5/lvl 9).

If you can't beat a Lucian as Vayne or Trist late game, then you're doing something very, very, very wrong.

WHAT? Average/Good Lucian can use all day long Gunslinger to win in lane and in mid game and then keep rolling. Lucian late game is strong because of the damage and the fact that he is difficult to kill but this isn't a huge monster(especially cause his ult can miss a lot even when Lucian is put in the best hands)

Hi, I am Riven. My passive does the same as Lucian's, except not applying on-hit effects and crits twice. Oh, yes, and I am melee ranged.

Hi, I'm RIven, I have 2 moves that give me mobility, hard cc, a shield that scales with my damage, a direct damage steroid, and a ranged execute. I'm also a completely different champ.

Also, Riven's passive duration is 3 seconds, Lucians will now be 2.. plus Riven can reapply and stack the passive 3 times, Luican loses the passive stack the moment he uses another ability. TLDR: Riven and Lucian, although have similar passives, are played MUCH differently.

hi im riven and im more annoying to play against than lucian will ever dream of being

Hi, I am Riven. My passive does the same as Lucian's, except not applying on-hit effects and crits twice. Oh, yes, and I am melee ranged.

Hi, I'm RIven, I have 2 moves that give me mobility, hard cc, a shield that scales with my damage, a direct damage steroid, and a ranged execute. I'm also a completely different champ.

Melee champions atm need all these things just to deal with some ranged champs :/