Riot should never leave a champion at under a 47% win rate unless there's an elo they're over 51%

ValyrianBlade··3 votes·549 views

I don't think it's reasonable that Riot favors some champions so heavily and will buff them immediately the next patch if their win rate drops below 49%, and then others can go nearly a year at under a 46% win rate and just be outright ignored.

I'd understand a champion being left in the dumpster if they were wrecking balance at pro/challenger or even just bronze levels of play. Not every champion has to be viable/strong at every elo. They should however be viable/strong in AT LEAST 1 ELO.

It's pretty hard to justify picking a champion who has under a 46% win rate, even if you really enjoy playing that champion and frequently do well on them. Yet I've waited and waited and Gnar hasn't been touched. His win rate is 42% in bronze, peaking at 46% in gold, crashing to 28% in master and 43% in challenger. That's over the last MONTH.

I'm not saying Riot needs to rework a champion or adjust their abilities. It should be pretty easy to see when a champion is so consistently weak across elos to just give a little lovetap of +2 AD or +3 armor or something. I get that you don't want to overdue it, you don't want to make the kit OP or anything. So maybe you don't buff his AD because you think it's overtuned - buff his armor/MR/health then. Just give him something, somewhere. There are lots of other champions that have been dumpstered and ignored for far too long: Nidalee Azir Kalista Vladimir Ryze

Now I get something like Ryze since he's still performing well at high elo (over 50% win rate in diamond). Overall though, plenty of champions that have been nerfed too hard and aren't seeing any help. Kalista and Azir were too popular at high elo but even in diamond they're both at 45% now (and they're not doing any better in challenger).

It just feels like they aren't even trying. They want these champions on the back burner and to not have to worry about people complaining when they're strong. Newsflash - Gnar has never been complained about half as much as Fizz Yasuo LeeSin and company and yet they are always kept viable somewhere...

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Akali is SO HOT1 votes

A lot of champions will never be allowed to be strong because the community backlash will either be too strong or Riot just doesn't like them. Akali FizzTalon Zed come to mind. Shaco will probably be in the dumpster as well in a few patches. Of course Riot also has some special snowflakes that are always allowed to be strong no matter how broken they are, but that's just how bias goes. Playmakers like Lee Sin will always be buffed before Worlds whereas Akali will never see the light of day and will be gutted if she's ever a viable pick in pro play.

salty testi1 votes

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ValyrianBlade1 votes

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Ryze dumpstered LOL Good one

do not fucking buff ryze to be viable in low elo. he's a monster if the user knows how to play him

mechanically difficult champs ought to be shit in low elo. And all those champs you listed besides Vlad are on the more difficult side to play.

Azir needs a rework straight up. He deserves to be dumpsetered bc of what he could do when he was viable

I said explicitly that Ryze was the only one on the list who made sense because he's got over a 50% win rate in diamond.

The rest may be hard to play, but they still have 45% win rates or less even in challenger. If challenger players can't even play them right, they need buffs...

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

so if a champ has 0% winrate in diamond but 75% in bronze then riot should leave it alone?

ValyrianBlade1 votes

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so if a champ has 0% winrate in diamond but 75% in bronze then riot should leave it alone?

No, that was half my point. It's an entirely different thing if a champion is weak in one elo but strong in another. It's a problem when a champion is weak in every elo.

LemurMonster1 votes

I know how you feel fellow Gnar player.. :C I just dont understand why they just left him like such. He pops far to easy & these damn shields.. Makes his CC pointless..

ValyrianBlade2 votes

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I know how you feel fellow Gnar player.. :C I just dont understand why they just left him like such. He pops far to easy & these damn shields.. Makes his CC pointless..

What bugs me is that CotC has made tanks a lot stronger and more popular. Gnar is supposed to thrive in a tank meta, and he's still extremely weak. He's also supposed to be reasonable against ranged top laners since he can farm safely with Q, and he's extremely weak despite their popularity.

The last 2 top metas both should have favoured Gnar - and they completely have not. He's clearly extremely under-tuned.

LemurMonster1 votes

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What bugs me is that CotC has made tanks a lot stronger and more popular. Gnar is supposed to thrive in a tank meta, and he's still extremely weak. He's also supposed to be reasonable against ranged top laners since he can farm safely with Q, and he's extremely weak despite their popularity.

The last 2 top metas both should have favoured Gnar - and they completely have not. He's clearly extremely under-tuned.

It's those damn shields. The only time Gnar is a tank is when he goes mega & his damages on it dont do a thing to tanks. Much less there shields. & this cheese item 3107 to top it all off...

Other wise even when mini. Poopy of all people out damages Gnar! I noticed it on number of games before. This item is also to blame item 3025

I am really starting to hate it. 1st Ez builds it & Tanks are now building it & its working for them. Before it didn't because global damages were not all that high as its been this & last season. Gnar damages got better as well because of it & what did they do? Nerf it!

Now they makes tanks out scale him... His attack range is so bad however that we are forced more than ever to go tanky build just to go in. People need to stop with his attack range crap because its bad. hence the FM build just to stay on one because of how dumb slows gotten... you end up losing a lot of damage on building it now anyways because they didnt just nerf the item but him as well which was.. yeah.. I am still pissed about it.

Because of my main Gnar now cant do anything at all to them. Tanks are my most hated class. The simply get far too much stats for the amount of damage they do.

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