Can the Entire Game NOT Revolve Around Bot Lane?

Woodakoodashooda··57 votes·2,675 views

Matches anymore make me feel like I am nothing more than a spectator in any of my matches, watching his 2-man team (adc and support) either do so horrifically that the match is lost or so fantastically that the match is won.

Top laners complain that their role has little to no impact on the game.

Well, lately, it's starting to feel like that for anything that isn't support or adc.

Jungle and camp bot? Well, you still have to farm and counter jungle. Ganking top and mid doesn't really matter. Top doesn't need kills for my team to win and mid can just roam bot to help our team (a.k.a. adc and support) win for us!

Playing mid is like sitting on a ticking bomb. Either your bot does so well that the enemy team gives up on bot lane and roams to your lane or your bot does so bad that they lose turret and the enemy bot migrates to your lane. So, unless you've been able to gank bot side successfully and often enough, your hopes lie entirely in the hands of your adc and support. Oh, wait, if you do gank bot side, you still rely on them being competent enough to follow through lest you die horribly to the enemy adc or the enemy mid that followed you or the enemy jg that counter ganked or the top that decided NOW is the time to teleport.

31 Comments

Ariel the Cruel13 votes

Play TT. Top is more important than bot there. ;p

ZeroAgainst1 votes

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Play TT. Top is more important than bot there. ;p

actually it isnt thanks to that bs support hyper carry targons strat.

SH Azykan3 votes

except that is where you put that duo in TT Bot lane is typically a waveclear champ who also has ganking potential.

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

This guy gets it.

Ahristocats6 votes

that's so Cruel

SEKAI6 votes

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that's so Cruel

Top lane is the Shadow Isles anyway.

Velzard of Koz9 votes

It drains life of anyone who tries to play it? Surrounds them with misery? Fills them with depression? Makes them feel powerless against such morbid army of darkness? Yop, actually that does sound like toplane.

Ariel the Cruel4 votes

You sure we're not talking about Summoner's Rift (in general) here? [sg-zephyr]

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Play TT. Top is more important than bot there. ;p

[sg-lulu] this actually made me lol have an upvote

Èreb Ysondre9 votes

As an ADC main i feel like it's really not true, i've carried games as ADC but i've also been carried by top and mid laners and by the jungle, if you're better you'll climb. If you're playing little impact champions such as tanks or supportive champions then yes you'll be more relyant on your team but if you don't like that kind of gameplay just play carrying champions

Flawless Fetus5 votes

Yeah. It's not true at all. I got tired of dominating bot lane to get stomped by the enemy top/jungle/mid. Lol. I switched to jungle. After that, I was able to win all 3 lanes instead of just one.

FourIsTheNumber9 votes

I can carry just fine from mid. Pulling off a bot gank isn't that hard, and mid laners kill adcs anyways.

Kynin8 votes

Well.... Riot has been making support more influential over the last season and that lane does hold 2/5th s of the team. If support is as influential as every other role (which it looks like that is what riot wants) then it is only logical that putting resources into bot lane will make sense.

Blåbæret3 votes

ADC main.

Kynin7 votes

Support main.

Jew Stomper1 votes

Not even mentioning that (sometimes) juicy dragon waiting to be taken.

Kynin1 votes

True, dragon seems like a much more powerful objective than rift herald. Not much of a point to heavily pressure top river since rift is only taken when absolutely free.

LordGeovanni2 votes

The only problem with that is that they didnt nerf Adcs the same time who always had the power of 2 people compared to mid top and jungles 1 and supports 0.5. If support is being buffed from 0.5 to honestly 0.8 adcs should go down in power at least .5. but no Supports get buffed to 0.8 adcs stay where they are and you blame ardent censer for being busted when only adcs are effected by it no fighters or assassins who also like attack speed are effected by ardent being op just Adcs.

VeganScout6 votes

Its not true, having noob lee sins is auto loss, although better adc usually decides game

Thilmer4 votes

I have seen ADCs with 4 kills roaming top to kill the enemy top in 2 vs 1 and then destroy the tower in seconds.

Snowball effect? More like an avalanche rigth now, at least for ADCs.

vgamedude4 votes

Upvoted. The whole idea of a role that has only one class (marksmen) in it that is supposed to be able to hyper carry games and having that stay constant is just really stale and non diverse.

Void Baboon RF2 votes

What. You don't like it when the Vayne has a shiv and can 1vs5 with her 3000 extra hp people pretend is playing the game with the other 4 players.

Fedoran2 votes

clearly the earth (adc) is the center of the solar system (everything fucking else)

we need the Copernicus of league

Sujiren2 votes

Sure you can carry from top and mid. Just play marksman in those roles, and then you will have just as much impact and carry potential as bot adc :) Rename this game into league of marksman.

Jinx Hunter1 votes

Even smite does their solo lane (the warrior lane) better. In Smite there is a lane like Top lane, where melee fighters and Melee Carries go and duke it out. Even a few Assassins go there. Mages stay in mid for better roams and tanks and supports stay with their auto attacking carry. Smite has balance all over the place and isn't perfect, but they at least have all lanes be useful and not one lane getting totally fucked and the other lane (the support and auto attack carry) have all of the teams power and attention. Their jungle is also better balanced.

Flawless Fetus6 votes

Nope. In smite the hunters (adcs) take the solo lane. Warriors lane with the supports. Idk when you last played smite, but you're a bit outdated.

ArfBarkBoof1 votes

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Nope. In smite the hunters (adcs) take the solo lane. Warriors lane with the supports. Idk when you last played smite, but you're a bit outdated.

Last I checked they still do Warrior/Guardian solo with jungler help, and duo lane on the short lane with either a Mage carry like Chronos, Freya, or Sol and the Hunters. If they changed it up that's fantastic because having to lane against Bellona and Sun Wukong every game was absolutely stupid.

SH Azykan5 votes

99% sure you dont play smite "jungle is more balanced" no, the jg is a clusterfck of assassins who end up taxing in lanes because the jg camps are actually being taken by mids and the duo lane "carry" Also, better off putting your hunter in the solo lane more times than not.

Blåbæret1 votes

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99% sure you dont play smite "jungle is more balanced" no, the jg is a clusterfck of assassins who end up taxing in lanes because the jg camps are actually being taken by mids and the duo lane "carry" Also, better off putting your hunter in the solo lane more times than not.

What's your point?

It's still ten times better balanced than the garbage that is current league.

Sniper Dave1 votes

Heres something you probably don't know in 2008-2010 from alpha to release to season 1 we used to run solo bot duo top and ADC mid, around 2012 is when the current non changing meta of solo top jungle ap mid adc/sup bot kicked in. This isn't an issue with the heroes or Riot it's an issue with the playerbase becoming stuborn to changing up the meta of games by going ADC top or mid, If you don't want to be a bruiser top lane you can easily run Quin top and dominate that lane or take a Malzahar top lane and dominate against an enemy melee because they cannot touch you.

If you want change to happen you have to make it happen yourself even if people flame you for doing it if you can show that it works they'll start to forgive it and start doing the new metas themselves.

I started Quinn in top lane 4 years ago to combat the dominating Jax top lane players because Quinn perfectly countered jax with her E Q combo. I started taking Darius into the jungle because he was surprisingly powerful as a jungler with his ganks especially when he hit lvl 6 and had a garenteed kill with his ultimate.

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