About the Nerf train latelly...

Noctius28··1 votes·307 views

I want to start this with a couple of questions:

What are the champions you see almost every game in certain lanes? What are the champions you played as when they came out but never saw or played again? What are the champions that DID stay playable after release? Any common traits between the ones that are played? And which of them have been nerfed?

I've been asking myself these things for a while and this is irrelevant to the current meta, meta makes champions come and go but there are some who are there for ever and some who never come back

Champions that I see almost every game? let me think... Thresh ... Chogath ...Thresh...LeeSin ... Thresh...Yasuo ... Thresh...

Champions I played at release but don't play much or see? Aatrox , RekSai , Zac , Quinn

What stayed playable after release? Thresh... hum... maybe no... oh Yasuo ! and hum...maybe Braum ? oh yeah and Jinx .. kinda... she fell of a bit lately...

Common traits? I don't think so... well they are all good or broken depending on the meta... they never actually are bad or have problems regardless of meta or enemy composition, they mostly work on everything even if you are bad at them...

Nerfed? Well Jinx was hit pretty hard lately, RekSai is about to join Aatrox ,Elise and Quinn in the deep dark pit of almost unplayable unless you're really good at them, Aatrox in itself was hit with the nerf bat right after he came out and he wasn't that good to start with...

This is the problem with the game! Nerfs are normal to bring a healthy game, but why are some destroyed to the point of unplayable while others such as Thresh keep all their power to the point of a support being able to play as adc? Why do most new champs get forgotten? why do they nerf them to the point they can't do what they were created for? what is the need for RekSai nerfs? she is barely played as it is, yet she is getting more nerfs instead of buffs to be viable, I remember when she came out everyone believed that finally we would get so diversity in the jungle from the obligatory LeeSin but then nerf, while LeeSin stays as oppressive and un-fun to play against as ever...

WHY?

Why does riot decide that some champions do not deserve to be op while others stay relevant regardless of meta or team? why must LeeSin be broken on every team comp? Yasuo at least has the ulti that works better with some team comps but LeeSin and Thresh ? Poke lane? Thresh works, Kill lane? Thresh works!, sustain lane? With a face of the mountain it kinda works Gank jungle? LeeSin is perfect, Farm jungle?LeeSin has all the clear speed you want, counter jungle? don't even need to comment

Need damage? LeeSin got you covered, need tank? LeeSin got you covered! Need utility and CC? LeeSin has the bitch covered!! You adc sucks? no problem Thresh can take over!, your adc has no mobility, Thresh has your back, your team has no tank? step aside ladies Thresh is here to deal with it!

on the other hand

RekSai , can she jungle? yeah! does she have CC? a little bit does she have damage? if you build it can she tank? if you build it can she do both? no... simply no can she be an adc or work as a support? no but she can kinda lane...badly...

This might just be me, but I am tired of watching the same champs on every game and see champ after champ be forgotten for ever after release! I want to see Aatrox , I want to see Quinn , I want to see Elise again, I want some DIVERSITY I want to stop seeing LeeSin and Thresh on EVERY SINGLE GAME! Give them weaknesses! LeeSin should be a tank or damage NOT BOTH, Thresh is a utility support SO WHY DOES HE HAVE SO MUCH DAMAGE AND RESISTANCES? Sona isn't tanky, Soraka isn't tanky, Leona has no damage or ranged aa, Braum has no damage or ranged aa, so WHY DOES Thresh HAVE EVERYTHING?

No champ should be perfect for everything and no champ should be useless at everything

Make a change, nerf what must be nerfed, buff what is never played! Even if we have some op stuff for a while it's ok, as long as it's not permanently op! LeeSin shouldn't always be a good pick, give him a bad season, given Riven a bad season, give Zac or Quinn a good season, a season where they shine, a season where Aatrox is banned in LCS, a season where you have to counter pick Quinn !

Give us real diversity!

PS: Keep in mind this is my opinion in ramble form you may disagree with my view on what a truly changing game is, you may like to face a LeeSin in every game, i for one would love to face a team of Aatrox top, Zac jungle, Quinn adc, Veigar mid and Taric support for example

9 Comments

RogueWill4 votes

uhm.... Zac is kinda a strong pick right now if you know how to play him. The reason why you barely see him is becuase there isn't many Zac mains.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

^^

Noctius281 votes

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uhm.... Zac is kinda a strong pick right now if you know how to play him. The reason why you barely see him is becuase there isn't many Zac mains.

My point is the champs that are good without caring for the meta or by the maining of said champ, Magikarp as said it himself in the Quinn actual champion spotlight that if someone mains Galio he can say he's pretty good, you see Lee independently of maining him or being good for the meta (like Vayne is right now thanks to tank shred or like Zed isn't that good RIGHT NOW because he can't burst tanks), people just play him because he is that strong

ShuffledPancake2 votes

tl:dr rek sai is played wayyyy too much, mainly bcz he is very good atm. braum is excellent in situations:Jinx + braum or Kalistar + braum

You also said rek sai cant dmg/tank she can do so much dmg and tank so much, she has alot of utility/cc and doesnt need dmg at all, i havent seen a lee in ages, thresh isnt even hard to lane against.. cant sustain well. lee = ad early , tank late (Low ad late low tank early simple asf) stop outcrying about random shit that isnt true.. i do respect your opinion but i also think it is so untrue. (facts wise)

Noctius281 votes

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tl:dr rek sai is played wayyyy too much, mainly bcz he is very good atm. braum is excellent in situations:Jinx + braum or Kalistar + braum

You also said rek sai cant dmg/tank she can do so much dmg and tank so much, she has alot of utility/cc and doesnt need dmg at all, i havent seen a lee in ages, thresh isnt even hard to lane against.. cant sustain well. lee = ad early , tank late (Low ad late low tank early simple asf) stop outcrying about random shit that isnt true.. i do respect your opinion but i also think it is so untrue. (facts wise)

My problem is when champs are nerfed simply because they are good in the meta while others are not when they are good in any meta, if they nerfed Vayne it would be dumb because she is really good right now BECAUSE of the meta, Braum is good IN CERTAIN TEAM COMPS

Of course a Malphite or Cho or Alistais are gonna make Yasuo look alot better thanks to the team synergy but that's fine, problem is there is no bad team comp or bad meta for thresh or Lee, they are always good, while Aatrox and Quinn is left to rot and Rek'asi has a bunch of nerfs planned, she is not currently unplayable but she will be soon, that is my problem

ShuffledPancake1 votes

Rek sai isnt good bcz of the meta she is good bcz she was well designed (not enough so that she didn't need nerfs). rek is fine. lee is countered by alot of tops/jglers like garen/riven and trundle/udyr.. quinn is fine (i can play her well while still being bad) and aatroxx is getting reworked.

Noctius281 votes

Rek is good because she has true damage in a tank meta, she IS well designed but she is being nerf without reason, because she is not op or oppressive in the way that champs like Lee are I main Garen since I started playing years ago and he does NOT counter Lee, you need Sejuani ulti level of stuns to deal with Lee

Quinn is fine because you know how to play her, so do I, but ME being able to do a triple when me and the support get ganked in bot by the enemy does not make her good, being good as a player does not make the champion good

ShuffledPancake1 votes

Im a shitty no lp silver 5 player, i aint good as the champion, i play her top not adc ever. garen silence - no abilites on lee, silence when he shoots q = fail for lee.. she can cahse with silence.. he does.. you dont need stuns.. like rly?

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

if lee builds tanky his damage fall of like a rock so he cant be both and his cc really low if you compared to seju and gragas. you could also say the exakt same abut lee as you can about vi so...

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