Why was Conqueror added?

Bouncemaster Zac··1 votes·1,045 views

And why wasn't it removed within 2 patches? It's insane to see 4-5 of it every game, and every game Darius , Yasuo , Fiora etc. have put out upwards of 20k true damage per match and simply facerolled their way to victory because they chose the objectively best keystone in the game.

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OtterlyLost2 votes

Because bruiser mains are the whiniest group of people that you will ever see and even if their champions themselves still are popular in jungle and can be still played top, they will just continue on and on about,"muh keystone." The only players that might beat them out are mages.

Conqueror should have just been removed or reworked ago to be Fervor of Battle, which many bruisers generally accepted as a good keystone, particularly since melee champs stacked it up twice as fast. Bringing Fervor back would also be good for the ranged fighters in the game like Gnar and Urgot who are locked out of Conqueror like everyone else.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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Because bruiser mains are the whiniest group of people that you will ever see and even if their champions themselves still are popular in jungle and can be still played top, they will just continue on and on about,"muh keystone." The only players that might beat them out are mages.

Conqueror should have just been removed or reworked ago to be Fervor of Battle, which many bruisers generally accepted as a good keystone, particularly since melee champs stacked it up twice as fast. Bringing Fervor back would also be good for the ranged fighters in the game like Gnar and Urgot who are locked out of Conqueror like everyone else.

I'd argue adc mains are the whiniest, but I have personal issue with them since it really seems that adc whining is what got Zac needlessly reworked. Either way I saw countless "bruisers have no keystone" threads while Grasp, Phase Rush, PtA, and even Klepto were all strong. Conqueror didn't need to be added, and yet we're here, with everyone complaining about the rise of true damage, not realizing this is exactly what they asked for.

OtterlyLost1 votes

Pretty sure that bruiser mains are whinier than ADC mains. Tanks are meant to be countered by ADCs so if an ADC main is complaining that they can't kill a tank, that tank is a problem. That said, I don't feel like they did anything to fix Zac with his rework and they should have looked at Rammus or Malphite instead. :/ Zac's issues were that, honestly, for a tank he did too much damage.

But yes, Conqueror either didn't need to exist or PTA needed to be Fervor instead.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

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Pretty sure that bruiser mains are whinier than ADC mains. Tanks are meant to be countered by ADCs so if an ADC main is complaining that they can't kill a tank, that tank is a problem. That said, I don't feel like they did anything to fix Zac with his rework and they should have looked at Rammus or Malphite instead. :/ Zac's issues were that, honestly, for a tank he did too much damage.

But yes, Conqueror either didn't need to exist or PTA needed to be Fervor instead.

Zac, really, really did not do too much damage, and the rework made him do more damage anyway, and now he feels all around worse to play both as and against. But that's a different topic.

OtterlyLost1 votes

As an ADC main, I respectfully disagree that he did too much damage pre rework. I went against enough Magic Pen Zacs to know he did far too much damage. shudders Getting oneshot under my own turret by a "tank" from the fog of war was not enjoyable. I do give my condolences though. I get how having your main feel awful is like and, for what its worth, I'd have still preferred they'd chose three different tanks all together; I was the least happy with the tank rework as I feel they did the worst job on it. RIP old Maokai. :(

TakaDama1 votes

To be fair Darius and Fiora have true damage built into their kits and Yasuo now only has to build IE and PD to get 120% crit chance with 15% of the damage he deals being true damage then.

Otherwise, as a Darius player, I just want the AD bonus

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