after 3 years, riot decides to do something and removes his ult ad, to give him 20 sec cd w instead of 22, few attack speed and Q damage buff now, they're reverting his w and q buff
You would expect people to be happy, but apparently this nerf isn't enough he traded 5-15% bonus AD for +1% attack speed/lvl, but let's just act like memory never existed and that zed got other buffs
Salron11 votesMost people on this board are silver and think Zed has been op for most of his existence
Abibyama II3 votesBoards are the most oppressed group
Sir Saltarin2 votesBoards rise up
Abibyama II6 votesBOTTOM LANE
D357R0Y3R1 voteshttps://i.gyazo.com/d2cafd3920672375a208af0c3237aa06.png
I second this
D357R0Y3R1 votesmy cait win rate is higher than yours
ha !
Sir Saltarin1 votesAnd that's with Flex rankeds too, on Solo/Dúo my winrate on Caitlyn is even worse !
But to compensate my wr with MF is 81% over 32 games, still low elo tho
Abibyama II1 votesThat is some beautiful photoshop
Sir Saltarin1 votesIndeed, but other thing, for some months this is a goodbye
Cya
Abibyama II1 votesBye :(
Sir Saltarin1 votesOkay, just one more thing I did today <3
Abibyama II1 votesGratz
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesMID OR FEED TEXT
D357R0Y3R4 votesthe champion that got faker crying about how trash he is was op
champion that had the best zed NA (laceration) going on the boards multiple times to ask for buffs (he only got shittalked by the boards about how he should learn the game tho)
even LL stylish had a lower win rate on zed than his global win rate
what the fuck?
Saianna6 votesFaker and players of his skill are what.. 0,001% of the whole playerbase? He cried Zeds weak? Well, damn i am so sorry, lets screw 99,999% of playerbase (minus zed mains) and buff the champion.
Pro play balance doesn't translate to the rest of playerbase, cause they play the game alot differently. Zed was always overbearing simply because that was his design. Also makes me wonder, why faker hasn't said anything when Zed was busted and he was killing his opponents without any issues? Oh cause he was making sick combos and cool plays?
I don't give a single flying F over whatever super-zed pros say. I'll never get to their skill. What I am interested in is not getting obliterated by a super safe & super deadly assassin. What irks me even more whenever you lane against Zed you always have to rush defense items against him simply because he scales better and faster.
Edit: HURR DURR I DISAGREE WITH HIM SO LETS REPORT HIM IN HOPES HE'LL GET BANNED. Cool life you live, mate.
D357R0Y3R2 votesso faker has to become worse at the game and get into your elo to play zed?
that sounds fun !
lol
Sir Saltarin7 votesDon't get me wrong, I like his Q nerf, but the ones asking for more nerfs just want to see him gutted into oblivion
Yenn3 votesThe problem with Zed is that he's oppressive with no reasonable counter play in a large majority of his match ups.
Try playing a champion that can't clear the wave from beyond his W range. It's only a matter of time until he lands a W + E + double Q on you, and even if he misses one of the Q's, you're still losing a huge chunk of your health to the unavoidable W + E + single Q.
You can't really punish him after he uses it, either, because he'll just sacrifice a couple of CS and rely on Q to farm from a safe range until it's back up.
You also can't play safely against him if he gets any early advantage, because his ultimate facilitates very safe/easy turret dives.
Most champions can't itemize against this; Armguard rush does nothing to help you survive, and Zhonya rush isn't viable because you need at least Lost Chapter or you can't stay in lane. If you do rush Armguard and skip Lost Chapter, you constantly have to recall and lose hard on CS, while being unable to punish Zed from roaming because you're OOM.
These nerfs don't fix how oppressive he is.
D357R0Y3R3 votesHe has no counterplay, yet ints so hard when played in pro in NA
=?
stopped reading here
Yenn2 votesHe has no counterplay, yet ints so hard when played in pro in NA
=?
stopped reading here
How do you explain his 56% win rate in Master+ NA? Challenger Zed mains have one of the highest average win rates, at 61-62%
Or are you talking about LCS? That's a completely different game from ranked solo queue/organized teams.
D357R0Y3R3 votesHow do you explain his 56% win rate in Master+ NA? Challenger Zed mains have one of the highest average win rates, at 61-62%
I don't explain it, why the fuck would I need to? A lot of champions have 56% win rate in master + because the sample is low, there aren't even that much of zed players on NA in high elo
Or are you talking about LCS? That's a completely different game from ranked solo queue/organized teams.
then we don't talk at all you just don't get to say that he has no counterplay and then someone ints with him in pro while getting cc'ed constantly and not being able to do anything.
you want me to keep reading your post? fine
It's only a matter of time until he lands a W + E + double Q on you, and even if he misses one of the Q's, you're still losing a huge chunk of your health to the unavoidable W + E + single Q.
and then what? get ganked and die because your w has a huge ass cooldown? sounds fun !!
Most champions can't itemize against this; Armguard rush does nothing to help you survive, and Zhonya rush isn't viable because you need at least Lost Chapter or you can't stay in lane.
why are you ttrying to bullshit me? The enemy midlaner rushed armguard and trashed zed IN A PURE 1V1 in LCS, I repeat IN A PURE 1V1 and then just got lost chapter
what the heck now?
Saianna3 voteswhy are you ttrying to bullshit me?
After reading your whole post the only thing I was thinking of was this sentence. Oh the irony xD
Sewer Side3 votesI’ve enjoyed the Zed haters moving the goal posts from “Zed won’t get nerfed because he has a legendary skin coming out” to “Zed is getting ‘love taps’ because he has a skin coming out”
Don’t expect logic around these parts.
Sir Saltarin1 votesThere's more, Renekton gets a slight buff and X member of the Boards is already saying that it's because Renek will get a Prestige skin
Yenn2 votes> A lot of champions have 56% win rate in master + because the sample is low, there aren't even that much of zed players on NA in high elo
He has the #1 pick rate (11.1%) and also highest one trick win rate of all mid champions at Master+.
Not even going to read the rest of this shit. At this point, you're just spewing misinformation to try to support your view. Thread is over, go home folks.
D357R0Y3R2 voteshe has the highest midlane pick rate because other champions who are meta midlane right now ARE ALSO META TOP aka ryze, jayce, vlad, kennen, akali, irelia
but those champions are MORE picked than zed, it's just that if vlad is picked top, the midlaner cannot pick vlad as well
Not even going to read the rest of this shit. At this point, you're just spewing misinformation to try to support your view. Thread is over, go home folks.
this should be bannable honnestly
Craft Zeppelin1 votes> A lot of champions have 56% win rate in master + because the sample is low, there aren't even that much of zed players on NA in high elo
He has the #1 pick rate (11.1%) and also highest one trick win rate of all mid champions at Master+.
Not even going to read the rest of this shit. At this point, you're just spewing misinformation to try to support your view. Thread is over, go home folks.
I just made this thread and see the same stratagem coming from these "Zed mains".
We are fed up of this poor attitude. And guess what? I who made the whole post actually do not even mind laning against Zed, I even play fricking Malzahar so I'm capable of countering him. In FACT, since there is a huge rise in the importance in botlane and enchanter supports I think assassins NEED a role in this meta. What I do NOT like, is people who spread misinformation and lies so they can get what they want and ruin the game for their own personal gains.
The thigh guy2 votesI want zed put back to the state where he actually has to land multiple shurican to get a kill. You know. Actually be decent at the game.
boricCentaur11 votesDoes zed really even need nerfs like he might just be good since a lot of anti assassin champions are bad and that most champions that are being play are squishy and riot has been buffing a good amount of tanky champion this patch and next patch so why not also buff champions like anivia who do well vs zed since once the meta changes to more tanky champions zed will not be this good and will likely fall out of meta on his own.
D357R0Y3R1 votesryze is god tier in high elo, and with aftershock he ** zed so hard
but he isn't a champion that is picked outside of high elo
boricCentaur11 votesit's basically just a nerf to shut up people in low and mid elo that don't want to learn how to play vs him.
Saianna1 votesI like how you forget that Zed received massive damage buffs from runes. He's still superior to whatever bs he used to be few years ago. Back then he actually had to aim his spells for the kill. Now it only takes his R and E with maybe 1 AA and ignite to get a frag.
D357R0Y3R2 votesEveryone got a massive buff from runes, so it doesn't matter
plus they nerfed all the runes that zed takes (sudden impact eletrocute, and the omnivamp one), they buffed armor rune, nerfed AD rune
and competent players STILL considered him trash after runes reforged
Saianna2 votesWith all those nerfs he still sits above 50%? Any champion with as many crucial nerfs (as you folks try to sell it as) would have his winrate plummet. If even with all those nerfs he still floats above 50% winrate and is still very popular, then...
Either I smell a stench of hypocrisy or that's the smell of a zed main lobbying some kind of very sad tone of Zed's about to be totally unplayable.
D357R0Y3R2 votesWith all those nerfs he still sits above 50%? Any champion with as many crucial nerfs (as you folks try to sell it as) would have his winrate plummet. If even with all those nerfs he still floats above 50% winrate and is still very popular, then...
what do you mean "all those nerfs" ? HE GOT NERFS FROM THE RUNES LIKE EVERYONE DID, if everyone is nerfed than no one is, but at the same time he didn't get buffed like you claimed
and then, "above 50%" he was AT 50% for a long time, and still garbage because win rate alone doesn't mean that a champion is fine Darius was garbage a lot of time and still had 50% win rate
Either I smell a stench of hypocrisy or that's the smell of a zed main lobbying some kind of very sad tone of Zed's about to be totally unplayable.
you're making yourself worse if you think that I'm a zed main
VoraciousX2 votesEveryone got a massive buff from runes, so it doesn't matter
plus they nerfed all the runes that zed takes (sudden impact eletrocute, and the omnivamp one), they buffed armor rune, nerfed AD rune
and competent players STILL considered him trash after runes reforged
Technically Electrocute is stronger after it's "nerf" than it ever was before it, as you can proc 2 electrocutes in the time it took to proc 1, for a lot more overall damage in the same time frame. Kat even went back to Electrocute because she needs it now due to indirect nerfs, despite Conqueror previously being a pretty good rune for her due to her being able to stack it quickly. They never REALLY nerfed electrocute, they just spaced out it's damage. It was really a shadow buff.
D357R0Y3R2 votesTechnically Electrocute is stronger after it's "nerf" than it ever was before it, as you can proc 2 electrocutes in the time it took to proc 1, for a lot more overall damage in the same time frame.
which means it's a nerf
because in ONE all in you have less damage than before
but at that time Riot nerfed the damage of all runes to tune down damage in the game
they just spaced out it's damage. It was really a shadow buff.
No, please stop it's annoying
it was a nerf, if you need to proc electrocute twice to deal the damage of one electrocute proc it's a nerf because you will have less damage in one all
while if you proc it twice you get the same result than before
nothing is better, you have more drawbacks than before.
VoraciousX1 voteswhich means it's a nerf
because in ONE all in you have less damage than before
but at that time Riot nerfed the damage of all runes to tune down damage in the game
No, please stop it's annoying
it was a nerf, if you need to proc electrocute twice to deal the damage of one electrocute proc it's a nerf because you will have less damage in one all
while if you proc it twice you get the same result than before
nothing is better, you have more drawbacks than before.
You're wrong, the damage is significantly more in 2 electrocutes. It lost 20-40 base damage, 5% AP, and 10% Bonus AD. The cooldown was reduced by HALF starting off, and lowered by 5 seconds late game.
Let's say you were level 3 with old electrocute and 100 AP and 100 bonus AD(just for the sake of easy numbers), every 47 seconds( the cooldown of electrocute), you would be able to do 150 damage.
Now let's say you're level 3 with current electrocute and 100 AP and 100 bonus AD. Every 24 seconds you can deal 113 damage, meaning every 48 seconds(one second more than old electrocute), you would be able to deal 226 damage. That is a significant difference.
While yes, it's less damage with one all in, you don't HAVE to all in on your first electrocute. You can proc it, and then proc it again 24 seconds later and they're likely dead by that point. In the same or possibly less time than previously, due to it being more damage overall. You're making it sound like electrocute is a rune that can only be used on all ins. Zed can W>E>Q to proc electrocute easily, other assassins are able to reliably proc it without going all in as well. The rune isn't hard to proc at all. The poke you can get off with the "nerfed" electrocute is significantly better than before.
The only time Electrocute is ACTUALLY nerfed is late game, because the cooldown difference doesn't match the damage output of old electrocute. It's better in lane than it ever was, and I said this when they first "nerfed" it.
