^tittle
EDIT: <removed by moderation> this is a hyperbole. My point remains. And even those who feed are able to kill the enemy carry. I also thought assasins were suppost to be next to useless if they fed, but that seems not to be the case
Akali is SO HOT34 votesThe enemy Nocturne went 3/10 in a game you played earlier today and the Khazix on your team went 1/12 a few days ago.
Nøctμrne2 votesJesus christ that guy should never play Nocturne again, I'm a Noct one trick and the worst I've ever done is go even in k/d.
Nocturne may have a simple kit, but the simplicity of it makes him difficult to master. He has no escape once he ults in, and he needs to time everything perfectly and know when to go in in order to have the strongest effect.
ValiantKiller8 votesJesus christ that guy should never play Nocturne again, I'm a Noct one trick and the worst I've ever done is go even in k/d.
Nocturne may have a simple kit, but the simplicity of it makes him difficult to master. He has no escape once he ults in, and he needs to time everything perfectly and know when to go in in order to have the strongest effect.
you miss the point of that comment, assassin feed and that respond to the post question.
shockprimex1 votesJesus christ that guy should never play Nocturne again, I'm a Noct one trick and the worst I've ever done is go even in k/d.
Nocturne may have a simple kit, but the simplicity of it makes him difficult to master. He has no escape once he ults in, and he needs to time everything perfectly and know when to go in in order to have the strongest effect.
Time everything perfectly? Like litterally every other champion?
Nøctμrne2 votesA little bit different then what you seem to be interpretting it as. If you time something wrong on most assassins there are ways to get out of it because they all have escapes. If you time something wrong on Nocturne and go in prematurely or late you die and lose the game.
Red Wreckage1 votes
has escapes?
Also these days....
on any AD assassin = dead carry. timing/decision making is outta the window now. Just survive till you get at least these two items, if you feed early on and your team managed to stall till around 30 minutes, and you'll find yourself very successful in one-shotting a carry.
In a game I played earlier, enemy team's thresh with dark harvest and above two items, rest tank/sp items, was doing 3/4 of my HP(i was playing kha'zix) with 1 AA late game. Never seen shit more ridiculous than this. Even I was deleting Zed/jhin/Yi with Q+AA. in less than a second...they couldn't even react lol.
LordGeovanni1 votesRengar to bush jump in and ult to run away yi can q in and ult to run away Wu kong can e in and w to run away Even pantheon can ult away on a team that has no cc and is too slow in dealing damage even if its not realistic so ill give you this one.
Red Wreckage1 votesjust......wow....
Rengar bush jump and then ult to run away? It takes about 2 seconds before the camouflage kicks in, and even then he is within detection radius of almost everyone since he is melee and just "bush jumped" someone.
this place is swarming with...
LordGeovanni1 votesYou said no excape abilites it can infact be used as an excape. Ive not needed my ult to kill people tons of times bush jumped in and ran away with ult because beyond the invisbility its a massive speed boost like Kai 'sa's E Miss Fortune's W passive Or Udry's E and passive. Just because things arent usually used in some way doesnt mean it cant be used in that way.
Marshbouy1 voteslmao
Kurt Hyzan32 votes because of dis
Yuvn Ti1 votes^^
BLIGHTBRINGER16 votesGood point lol. I guess it falls into the idea of, learning most assassin's isn't hard.
GigglesO3 votesMost of them have really nice escape tools too.
Noor Sakata14 votesThey kept buffing them because adc and supports were strong , now adc and supports are nerfed yet assassins still dominating . Even high ranged mages that always play safe are dying more than assassin
Nyarlathοtep3 votesMobility creep at its finest.
AmazoX3 votes[{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GZzgxAGK,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-06-17T17:38:07.496+0000)
They kept buffing them because adc and supports were strong , now adc and supports are nerfed yet assassins still dominating . Even high ranged mages that always play safe are dying more than assassin
Where the fuck are you getting these statistical facts?
Noor Sakata1 votesWhere the fuck are you getting these statistical facts?
I play a lot and use boards a lot , and boards here kept complaining about Assassins being weak , due to adc being ranged assassins and support making them stronger and harder to kill , that's why Riot decided to buff assassins , they actually mentioned that , you know in patch notes when they put a reason why they buffed or nerfed a champion , they mentioned that Zed was struggling against Shields so he got the buff I
iDarkWind2 votesWhere did you get that information? How the hell did people upvote this without any data or proof provided? I love this boards discussions xD
Noor Sakata1 votesWhere did you get that information? How the hell did people upvote this without any data or proof provided? I love this boards discussions xD
Yes you gotta love them " Copy pasted " I play a lot and use boards a lot , and boards here kept complaining about Assassins being weak , due to adc being ranged assassins and support making them stronger and harder to kill , that's why Riot decided to buff assassins , they actually mentioned that , you know in patch notes when they put a reason why they buffed or nerfed a champion , they mentioned that Zed was struggling against Shields so he got the buff , and Meddler stated that in a post I saw on surrender at 20 , where he talked about Zed and what's going to happen with him and what the changes he will get.
iDarkWind1 votesYou don't know what you're talking about. Even when Zed had a 47% Win Rate, boards still hated him and had a circlejerk on him. They buffed Zed or any other assassins not because of the boards, because if it was boards decision, they would buff even further the 51% win rate mages out there. So, do me a favor and shut up with your 'facts' that make no sense for someone who has been here for a long time. Your stupid fake information and bias opinion won't change the real facts.
Plus, Riot did well in buffing assassins because the stupid support enchanters would denie all their damage with a simple point click shield.
Arcane Blue Boi1 votesYou don't know what you're talking about. Even when Zed had a 47% Win Rate, boards still hated him and had a circlejerk on him. They buffed Zed or any other assassins not because of the boards, because if it was boards decision, they would buff even further the 51% win rate mages out there. So, do me a favor and shut up with your 'facts' that make no sense for someone who has been here for a long time. Your stupid fake information and bias opinion won't change the real facts.
Plus, Riot did well in buffing assassins because the stupid support enchanters would denie all their damage with a simple point click shield.
1st: i never said they were facts, this was just a random shitpost 2nd: yeah, riot buffs assassins because of enchanter supports exept not everybody has an enchanter support, and if you dont have one you're just on your own against a buffed assassin.
iDarkWind1 votesFake. Engagers supports can also work as peel supports if they CC the enemy assassin and don't let him get close enough to their ADC. Also, your first point summarizes well this thread: "this was just a random shitpost".
Noor Sakata2 votesYou don't know what you're talking about. Even when Zed had a 47% Win Rate, boards still hated him and had a circlejerk on him. They buffed Zed or any other assassins not because of the boards, because if it was boards decision, they would buff even further the 51% win rate mages out there. So, do me a favor and shut up with your 'facts' that make no sense for someone who has been here for a long time. Your stupid fake information and bias opinion won't change the real facts.
Plus, Riot did well in buffing assassins because the stupid support enchanters would denie all their damage with a simple point click shield.
We are discussing normally here , you better respect others or don't reply , just because you main Zed doesn't mean he is an Angel , Zed is a champion that needs skills to play , and so mistakes can be easily done while playing him , so having 48% winrate on him is something normal , my information about Zed aren't wrong , you already said it " Plus, Riot did well in buffing assassins because the stupid support enchanters would denie all their damage with a simple point click shield." that's partly what my comment is about , now that supports are nerfed , and ad carried are nerfed " which are the main targets of assassins " those assassins must be nerfed too , I mean those classes being strong were the reason why Assassin got buffed , so what's your point ?
iDarkWind1 votesI talk the in the way I want and I couldn't care less about anything you say. If anything, you should use what I'm telling you and actually improve yourself because you aren't going to teach me anything with what I have read so far.
Supports were nerfed so that assassins could kill the ADCs, but at the same time, ADCs got nerfed, and what's happening now? Bruisers and Mages are being played as ADCs in the bot lane. Bruisers are counters to assassins by nature, meanwhile mages have Zhonya's an item that denies the all in potencial of the assassin by a lot. Assassins aren't overturned at the moment neither, you guys complaining about assassins make no sense what so ever. If they were even half of the of the 'Free-Elo' that boards claim to be, we would see them being played in LCS.
Noor Sakata2 votesI talk the in the way I want and I couldn't care less about anything you say. If anything, you should use what I'm telling you and actually improve yourself because you aren't going to teach me anything with what I have read so far.
Supports were nerfed so that assassins could kill the ADCs, but at the same time, ADCs got nerfed, and what's happening now? Bruisers and Mages are being played as ADCs in the bot lane. Bruisers are counters to assassins by nature, meanwhile mages have Zhonya's an item that denies the all in potencial of the assassin by a lot. Assassins aren't overturned at the moment neither, you guys complaining about assassins make no sense what so ever. If they were even half of the of the 'Free-Elo' that boards claim to be, we would see them being played in LCS.
Typical Zed main if you actually don't care then why are you here ? no one asked you to tell me about your opinion lol Assassins got everything , and you are complaining because got 1 item to protect them? Most of assassins can wait till Zhonia's effect is gone, you can still kill any mage unless that's happening in a team fight , which means other classes can't do anything about that too , besides if a mage gets Zhonia in this snowball meta , then that means that mage didn't get mana or magic pen , which means they are still easy targets , not saying there aren't cancerous mages , of course there is , they are cancerous ones as much as your Zed is , but now what's your point exactly ? what do you want? who cares about LCS ? LCS players got their own reasons for not playing those freelo champions , not all of those players are in LCS , and again , if I'm complaining and you don't care , why are you here?
LordGeovanni1 votesThis has existed long before adcs buffs in season 4 Assassins were stupid strong in season 3 and could rip through tanks who were at least 2 times tankier than current tanks. Assassins do, do far too much but they also have to play much more reserved versus adcs and mages than adcs and mages do. There is also that many people in solo que like to let other people do the work and come in to ks and alot of people who do that feel that assassins are built for that and gravitate toward that role.
Troll for Trump5 voteswhy havent i seen an assassin feeding
Because they're on a diet.
On a side note, you most certainly have.
ModPeriscope5 votesI've removed part of your post, as it was insulting other posters using perjorative language on this thread.
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rayzo2 votesCensorship.
DuskDaUmbreon4 votesYou can't just call every last enforcement of a rule "censorship".
It's not censorship to tell you not to be an ass.
Fízz v24 votesbecause you havent seen an assassin at all since 2016 LUL
Step Sis Lux10 votesits not like assassins are in almost evey game, no no
Śhunpo2 votes[{quoted}](name=Step Sis Lux,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GZzgxAGK,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-06-17T17:03:48.811+0000)
its not like assassins are in almost evey game, no no
They're not, look at their pickrates.
Arcane Blue Boi6 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GZzgxAGK,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-17T16:41:07.672+0000)
because you havent seen an assassin at all since 2016 LUL
Exept every single enemy midlane , that + irelia (exept 1 in 20 games where its a lux )
Fízz v24 votesStill almost nowhere to be seen in pro play, so theres gotta be some risk, no?
Step Sis Lux1 votesBut they just played talon yesterday, and it was just second day
GayFluffyUnicorn3 voteswhich isnt even true looking at your match history. Maybe you just need to git gud.
TEA Nietzsche 4 voteswhy havent i seen an assassin feeding since 2016
I've checked your last game, Kayn in the enemy team fed 0/6/3. So to answer your question: cause your're blind. No need to thank me btw, it was a pleasure.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesPretty much where all the assassin complaints come from: blind and armless.
Aaravos3 votesYou didnt meet a feeding Zed since 2k16? You are so lucky.
ValyrianBlade3 votesI upvoted, but I'd provide some clarity here.
Assassins are high reward because they have an insanely strong lane presence, and generally can 1v1 any lane opponent AND have tools to roam and get kills elsewhere if their lane opponent won't fight.
Assassins are "high risk" because if they don't get an early lead with that big advantage, they become much weaker late game. If an assassin doesn't get kills in the early-mid, they can't 1 shot the carries in the mid-late, meaning they continue to not get kills, and since they have no utility outside of killing someone, it generally puts their team at a disadvantage.
i.e. they're not high risk in the sense that their plays get punished by them dying and their lane opponent getting fed. They're high risk in the sense that if they personally don't get fed, they probably aren't going to win the game.
I upvoted, because this gameplay style just sucks for the person not playing the assassin though. I can outplay you every time, but since you're innately stronger in the early-mid it doesn't matter, I won't develop a lead. Which means even if I deny you repeatedly, all it takes is my bot lane to give you a kill to get you rolling. Or my bot/top/jg to lose their lane and your ally to carry you because I'm not getting kill gold (because you have no 1v1 risk) to carry against them AND I can't roam on them because you'll kill me if I run into you on the way there.
If the enemy team has an assassin (or 2, or 3) your team's best strategy to win is to literally turtle from level 1 and give up farm and play super safe to ensure you don't die, and you'll outscale and win easily. However that gameplay pattern is horrible and no one (especially in solo queue) would ever actually do it!
Lauchmelder2 votesThis so much.
I do have to complain about one thing here: Assassins shouldn't have the waveclear they currently have. Sure, it's like that because assassins want to roam.
The big problem is that you can barely punish this. By the time you pushed the wave into the enemy tower most assassins will be back in lane in the earlygame. Worst case they'll have gotten a kill somewhere else while you couldn't even deal a good chunk of damage to his tower.
I know why Riot made it this way but I don't have to agree with it.
ZackTheWaffleMan2 votes^tittle
heh
TKP B1lly2 votesAnd even those who feed are able to kill the enemy carry.
dying does not deprive someone of gold or items. an assassin may feed his opponent mage 10 deaths and still, totally naturally, at the same time he can have the same gold as opponent adc. ofc he is supposed to kill it.
Laceration2 votesnice shitpost
Arcane Blue Boi1 votesnice shitpost
my man
Sp33d Zer02 votesBecause you're using confirmation bias to ignore every bad assassin.
Catastrop2 votesI sense a strong cognitive bias in the force.