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Niyumi··2 votes·616 views

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2233739713/228953398?tab=overview

This match. I have 190 armor, 3.2k HP, plus Tabi's passive, plus Sterak's... yet Illaoi instantly kills me if I get hit by just one tentacle, Ez shreds me as if I were an ADC (he has ZERO armor pen), and Yasuo just one shots me off of Malph's ult.

Why? None of them had armor pen minus Illaoi, and even if she wasn't around, I'd still die like a glass ADC.

And, on the other hand, why am I matched with fucking morons every game? I was 20/3 mid game, I could kill their entire team, but my team just kept feeding to the point that I just instantly die any time I get caught in a single CC, and couldn't do anything. Oh I tried to end, yeah, but my team would die every teamfight, I'd clean up, and someone would spawn as I'm pushing a lane, and I can't get the tower.

And hey, Riot, we told you LONG BEFORE you changed her that Illaoi was already incredibly strong in the right hands. Now she's kind of broken. Just saying, you might wanna listen to people who actually play the game before making some fucking kneejerk change for our glorious Asian overlords over at Tencent who want more money.

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redniwediS2 votes

Why do you feel the need to specify that you have Ninja Tabi? Illaoi is a caster, not an auto attacker, so it's just 30 armor, which is covered by you telling us how much armor you had, which seems a little low if you're going for a bruiser build. You only had two armor items, and they are both items where armor is a secondary attribute.

In any case Illaoi didn't even do well, and you did. Just because you played a duelist doesn't mean you should be able to duel any champion in the game. Just go around and be useful elsewhere and let your beefier allies handle her post lane phase.

Illaoi isn't broken, you just didn't have a good champion for 1v1ing her.

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

Illaoi isn't broken, you just didn't have a good champion for 1v1ing her.

fiora is one of my easiest matchups. lol.

TTK Dreadnought2 votes

yet Illaoi instantly kills me if I get hit by just one tentacle

Lol. Funny exaggeration

None of them had armor pen minus illaoi

4 of those champs had 7% armor pen through masteries, and two of them had black cleaver (another 30% shred)

Illaoi is a high damage/sustain juggernaut like darius. Even when behind, it only takes a bad fight on the other team for them to catch up. I've made Darius 0/5, and all of a sudden a dragon contest gone wrong and he's suddenly 4/5 and difficult to 1v1.

And hey, Riot, we told you LONG BEFORE you changed her that Illaoi was already incredibly strong in the right hands. Now she's kind of broken.

As an illaoi main, i will agree that she was strong before. She isnt broken yet because they're plenty of suitable counters to her. the best being CC or some execution abilities

Ryze, Zyra, and Veigar are all a pain in the arse to lane against as illaoi. Ryze's snare is very irritating and his current ult with spell vamp and with 45%CD actually makes it annoying to 1v1. While Zyra and Veigar, while they may be squishy, their ability to deal a large amount of ap/burst damage with the ability to CC and zone (zyra plants and thunderlords make it difficult to engage, and the plants can block the spirit pull) and Veigar also has an execuion ult which when timed well, can delete illaoi right as her ult hits the ground if you engage her first.

Garen and Darius are situational matchups, their ults are strong against illaoi because of the execution. Garen's %missing health scale, and Darius true damage.

Renekton is situation. The most difficult ones ive played against would run thunderlord and just W me with 50fury and back off behind minions. Very irritating

Heim is iffy. He's not as bursty as zyra and his CC is just a slow.

and the biggest thing. i will have to tell you.

GREVIOUS WOUNDS IS A THING

Buy an executioner if your adc wont buy Mortal Reminder. Lord Dominik's Regards is nice, but the issue isnt Illaoi's health in a fight, it's her sustain that kills you and after a while, Morello just doesnt cut it and you dont always have ignite up. So i wont stress this enough, GET EXECUTIONER/MORTAL REMINDER if you want to keep Illaoi under much stronger control.

Plus, whenever i do ADc (i dont do it often), i prefer Mortal Reminder because it cuts the other ADC's sustain down meaning i have the advantage.

Any Qs?

Niyumi1 votes

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Lol. Funny exaggeration

Not even kidding. One W + Tentacle would halve my health.

4 of those champs had 7% armor pen through masteries, and two of them had black cleaver (another 30% shred)

190 x 0.93 = 177 (rounded from 176.7). So, still no reason to die that fast.

As an illaoi main, i will agree that she was strong before. She isnt broken yet because they're plenty of suitable counters to her. the best being CC or some execution abilities

  • Targeted % max health damage that procs on-hits and has ridiculous scaling as well as triggering a tentacle smash.

  • Q that now does twice as much damage in a larger area than before.

  • E that spawns tentacles much more frequently, and if used during ult, is basically three guaranteed hits.

I have 100k mastery on Illaoi. I know very well how she works. She was borderline broken before, now I can just fuck around and win with her no problem.

Buy an executioner if your adc wont buy Mortal Reminder. Lord Dominik's Regards is nice, but the issue isnt Illaoi's health in a fight, it's her sustain that kills you and after a while, Morello just doesnt cut it and you dont always have ignite up. So i wont stress this enough, GET EXECUTIONER/MORTAL REMINDER if you want to keep Illaoi under much stronger control.

The problem with Illaoi isn't her sustain. The problem is that she can click on me and do 1/3 my health, and then instantly kill me if she has more than one tentacle up. There is no sustaining when the fight is done within 2 seconds.

But, just like we told them how to nerf Poppy WITHOUT making her useless, Riot refuses to listen, and buffs Illaoi in ways that she did NOT need. Sure do have to love greedy ass F2P cash grabs.

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

Not even kidding. One W + Tentacle would halve my health.

Not entirely. A tentacle before your armor would do around 630, and her W would do 10% max health (making it about 320ish before armor). so 190ish armor gives you 65.5% damage reduction

so the W would hit for around 110 damage and reduce your armor by 5% (making it 181, or 64%) and then the tentacle would do 224 damage. So if 334 damage is half of 3k then we got a problem.

190 x 0.93 = 177 (rounded from 176.7). So, still no reason to die that fast.

thats a difference of 2% reduction. And Kindred still had Black cleaver. Making your armor 57% instead of 65%. And kindred had %Max health damage, while Ezreal did % current. It tends to add up.

Targeted % max health damage that procs on-hits and has ridiculous scaling as well as triggering a tentacle smash.

Because is %Max health damage, it scales based on the target. But its also affected by Armor more than it did when it was flat damage. It's going to proc on hits, because its an AA still. not even worth complaining about that considering you were playing fiora Q does the same thing and her E can crit even without crit chance. And unless Illaoi builds a large amount of AD, the scaling is meh.

Q that now does twice as much damage in a larger area than before.

This is just nonsense. The only thing that was changed was how the passive damage increased (which adds only a small amount of damage to the ones who build more tank than damage (no steraks, titanic etc). and its SIZE hasnt changed at all. its been 750/50/400 as always.

E that spawns tentacles much more frequently, and if used during ult, is basically three guaranteed hits. If the E is used during the ult, it will spawn the extra tentacle, but that tentacle will only swing once. and another tentacle wont spawn since there are tentacles too close. And its not guaranteed 3 hits, people are actually quite decent at dodging them (when used in lane). even in bronze.

I have 100k mastery on Illaoi. I know very well how she works. She was borderline broken before, now I can just fuck around and win with her no problem.

CONGRATS

I have 429k mastery (lvl 7 since May 20). I DEFINATELY know how she works.

The problem with Illaoi isn't her sustain. The problem is that she can click on me and do 1/3 my health, and then instantly kill me if she has more than one tentacle up. There is no sustaining when the fight is done within 2 seconds.

If you were doing well against her, then you must not of died in 2secs. Take exhaust, ignite or buy executioner as i've said. The grevious wounds during a 2v1 on illaoi hurts a lot more than people think.

If a darius/nasus/garen/wukong is behind, they can catch up quickly if you make a mistake. same goes for illaoi. It seems like you're just salty because your teammates couldnt handle her and didnt build to accommodate rather than the champ itself.

Slack King2 votes

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Lol. Funny exaggeration

4 of those champs had 7% armor pen through masteries, and two of them had black cleaver (another 30% shred)

Illaoi is a high damage/sustain juggernaut like darius. Even when behind, it only takes a bad fight on the other team for them to catch up. I've made Darius 0/5, and all of a sudden a dragon contest gone wrong and he's suddenly 4/5 and difficult to 1v1.

As an illaoi main, i will agree that she was strong before. She isnt broken yet because they're plenty of suitable counters to her. the best being CC or some execution abilities

Ryze, Zyra, and Veigar are all a pain in the arse to lane against as illaoi. Ryze's snare is very irritating and his current ult with spell vamp and with 45%CD actually makes it annoying to 1v1. While Zyra and Veigar, while they may be squishy, their ability to deal a large amount of ap/burst damage with the ability to CC and zone (zyra plants and thunderlords make it difficult to engage, and the plants can block the spirit pull) and Veigar also has an execuion ult which when timed well, can delete illaoi right as her ult hits the ground if you engage her first.

Garen and Darius are situational matchups, their ults are strong against illaoi because of the execution. Garen's %missing health scale, and Darius true damage.

Renekton is situation. The most difficult ones ive played against would run thunderlord and just W me with 50fury and back off behind minions. Very irritating

Heim is iffy. He's not as bursty as zyra and his CC is just a slow.

and the biggest thing. i will have to tell you.

GREVIOUS WOUNDS IS A THING

Buy an executioner if your adc wont buy Mortal Reminder. Lord Dominik's Regards is nice, but the issue isnt Illaoi's health in a fight, it's her sustain that kills you and after a while, Morello just doesnt cut it and you dont always have ignite up. So i wont stress this enough, GET EXECUTIONER/MORTAL REMINDER if you want to keep Illaoi under much stronger control.

Plus, whenever i do ADc (i dont do it often), i prefer Mortal Reminder because it cuts the other ADC's sustain down meaning i have the advantage.

Any Qs?

I agree that illaoi is strong as shit, and have lost quite a few lanes to her. But have yet to lose a game to her, most people hit late game with Illaoi and have no idea what to do, causing it to be a 4.5v5

Defended1 votes

Tbh riot should rework illaoi. Her whole kit screams toxic. Armor doesn't work against her

TTK Dreadnought3 votes

item 3071 is her main damage item and she's a juggernaut. Armor doesnt work on Darius or Garen when they build it, nevertheless the Ults. And armor doesnt work against Gangplanks barrels which ignore 40% armor, AND has an AD scaling "true damage ignite" for a passive that resets on barrels.

Defended1 votes

I love these bronze players acting like they've never fought an illaoi and that shes ''fair'' Holy.

TTK Dreadnought2 votes

Too bad an illaoi main has "no clue" how to counter her own champ

/s

TTK Jayce1 votes

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I love these bronze players acting like they've never fought an illaoi and that shes ''fair'' Holy.

I love how these non-bronze players continuously die to bronze Illaoi players. its funny and ironic that people bring up rank; yet still die to the "bronze" user's champ in question, during a 1 v 1.

Defended1 votes

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I love how these non-bronze players continuously die to bronze Illaoi players. its funny and ironic that people bring up rank; yet still die to the "bronze" user's champ in question, during a 1 v 1.

There is a reason you guys stay in the non rank you do.

TTK Dreadnought2 votes

Lol. That's nicely condescending of you.

TTK Jayce

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There is a reason you guys stay in the non rank you do.

Absolutely. We have lives. It is simply unfair and the pinnacle of injustice that we cannot dedicate every second of the our lives to the game we love. However, some of us have priorities and seek higher standards of achievement---education, employment, etc. When you lose an argument you must resort to bringing up rank. That is fine. Whenever you move out of your mother's basement and stop living off of financial assistance (whether that be from mommy or the US. economy), maybe you will possess the capability to form a logical argument. In short, I have too many responsibilities to devote my full effort to the game. When you become an adult, you will to. With that being said, have a great evening.

Friendly Ram1 votes

Yas has 50% bonus armor pen off his ult not counting ez and illaoi armor shred.

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

I don't play yasuo, and I know what he traditional builds. But could black cleaver be useful?

100armor (50% reduction) would normally be 33% reduction during his ult. Cleaver would make that 16.6% reduction during the ult, with the lingering 30% shred after the ult to Anyone who was hit by it.

Friendly Ram1 votes

Yes and no. The 20% cdr only effects wind wall and ult. Phage is great and not sure where your math is coming from. Bonus armor pen would apply first reducin all item and rune armor by 50% then bc would reduce the remaining total armor by 30%

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

My bad. I thought it was just 50% pen. Not 50% bonus pen on his ult just misread that. As mentioned, never played him xD.

I just exhaust during his ult. Makes it easy.

Azules5001 votes

Um, to be honest, your build was quite squishy. 190 armor is just one thornmails away from base armor and 3k HP is just 1.5 warmogs away from base health. Your ravenous hydra and spirit visage made you too squishy to physical dmg. If you would have swapped the visage for a thornmail or randuins and buy a titanic or go sunfire, you would have been a lot tankier. The item build was literally 1.5 warmogs and a thornmail. That's just 2.5 defensive items, so you weren't that tanky.

Aids cuz League1 votes

Hey there, be careful what you say about your team mates around these parts. Even though it truly was your teams fault, nobody will believe you, and then they will blame you for all your losses. Look out for that because it happens every time I do the most warding, have the best kda in the game(at minimum, on my side) Mostly go positive. Then people have the audacity to tell me im terrible at Jinx in Winrate and don't factor in that I have the most turret kills/champion kills/creep clear/assists/major jungle monster assists and map awareness anyone of my elo could POSSIBLY have.... it's my fault I lost, not the 0/19/2 mid laner who wouldnt listen to pings, or fall back. And trolled, and fed a total of 2 people 7 kills/ a bunch of assists, and the third guy another 5 kills with both of the assists gained from the other two. Nah nope, my fault. Happens every game, but it's my fault.

P.S. Winrate doesn't show you how well you are as the champion, it only shows how much feeding your team did more than you, and if you won or loss. And I wish people stopped using Winrate/Rank as a means to judge someones knowledge of the game. Because you know what you get out of judgement like that? Yasuo/Ekko/Illaoi/Caitlyn/Graves/Devourer and all the people on the PBE who have literally never played a single LIVE match of LoL.

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