You nerfing 
and 
cause they stomp in low elo, and cause they can build semi tanky and yet able to put alot of damage.
Yet 
can build almost full tank + 
, able to kill lane and in same time able to destroy squishy and tankers in any elo and that is fine for you ?
If you nerfing both of them,take daruis too it that easy.
D357R0Y3R24 votesDarius has 49% win rate in plat+ with 11% pick rate Garen has 54% win rate in plat+ with 11% pick rate Yorick has 53.5% win rate in plat+ with 3.5% pick rate (doesn't deserve a nerf)
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/home/
ValiantKiller3 votesDarius has 49% win rate in plat+ with 11% pick rate Garen has 54% win rate in plat+ with 11% pick rate Yorick has 53.5% win rate in plat+ with 3.5% pick rate (doesn't deserve a nerf)
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/home/
Yah i'm with both garen and darius nerf really, yorick on other hand i don't know why he need and not defend him cause i play him as my backup but he good few good matchups and rest just bad for him.
D357R0Y3R14 votesi'm not 49% win rate and 11% pick rate is balanced additionally while Darius counters tanks toplane, if they get buffed in the jungle they will fuck him hard in teamfight with massive cc unlike garen who gets cc immunity tenacity and slow cleanse+movement speed
in next patch darius is going to be worse
NineTailedMystic3 votesGaren doesn't have any CC immunity. He has like, 60% tenacity for the first .85s of his W.
D357R0Y3R1 votesAlright Didn't know that but i'm pretty sure there is a "cannot be cc'ed" thing above garen when he presses W but if he doesn't have cc immunity i withdraw what i said
Alex h87211 votesits actually "disable reduced"
concert clown1 votesDid you just not want to mention he has a 50% ban rate on top of having a 10% pick rate?
I don't think Darius is broken either, but that is an absurd ban rate and he's probably definitely in need of some nerfs.
D357R0Y3R1 votesSo someone with a high ban rate needs nerfs just for the sake of people not wanting to play against him, when people can't ban Jhin and fucking realise that he has 53% win rate and 30% pick rate and is a ticket to challenger right now.
makes sense
Critmaster Garen7 votesDarius has 49% win rate in plat+ with 11% pick rate Garen has 54% win rate in plat+ with 11% pick rate Yorick has 53.5% win rate in plat+ with 3.5% pick rate (doesn't deserve a nerf)
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/home/
look at the winrate over time graph.
over the course of the last week, garens winrate dropped to 52%. i dont know what lolalytics does, but they somehow just took the highest winrate garen had over the past couple of weeks on a single day and displayed that as his general winrate.
league of graphs and even op.gg all show 52% winrate for garen at plat+ now.
at diamond his winrate drops to 50%
his average plat+ winrate has been stable at 52% over the last 3 patches.
D357R0Y3R4 votesSo? Garen is broken in low mmr that is their problem Darius isn't broken in low mmr else riot's stats that they have in their HQ would have told them that and they would have nerfed him
beside, I find Garen very oppressive in higher tiers as well
Critmaster Garen3 votesSo? Garen is broken in low mmr that is their problem
its not a problem. its a problem that low mmr has to deal with and solve by themselves.
either way, its not fair to nerf garen or yorick for low mmr. if anything, they can ty tuning them a bit with power shifts in their kits to make them less strong at low mmr while just as strong as they are now at high mmr.
but if they cant lessen their impact at low mmr without nerfing them at high mmr they shouldnt touch them at all, and just have the players deal with it. because at the end of the day, these players are still learning the basics of the game.
if a champion has almost 50% winrate at high mmr then there are obviously ways to play around that champion, that players at low mmr simply havent learned yet or are unwilling to utilize. in that case its their own problem.
THE RlVER KlNG6 votesdude please don't try and defend garen when he has those statistics in high elo
that's indicative of an issue when the easiest champion in the game has no losing matchups and stomps all elos
Bârd4 votesNo losing matchups?
You're joking, right?
The above champions can either crush Garen in lane or can easily play such that Garen has zero kill potential on them without ganks.
And, by the way, that's just the list of champions that beat Garen in lane. There are many more champions who can negate him in teamfights.
LeBlanc Rose1 votesBrand and Karma top...
Really?
Bârd1 votes 
Off meta but rather effective. Can easily get around 3k HP with a respectable damage output.
Full tank is complete and utter cancer.
ValiantKiller1 votesNo losing matchups?
You're joking, right?
The above champions can either crush Garen in lane or can easily play such that Garen has zero kill potential on them without ganks.
And, by the way, that's just the list of champions that beat Garen in lane. There are many more champions who can negate him in teamfights.
Yah i was about to say that most of them rekt him in lane problem is the team fight, i'm urgot main and i always win lane against him the problem is the teamfight and the amount of free tenacity he got is the problem special that urgot can't get tenacity at all.
Bârd1 votesUrgot can't shut down Garen on his own, but he can enable his team to do so.
Your ult effectively reduces his max HP by 25%, so if you land it and then get your team to focus the Garen (both fairly likely given how Garen tends to position in fights), you're in good shape.
There are a couple ways for him to get around that (QSS, Stoneplate), but those cause him other problems.
Bhagswag1 votesKind of reminds me of Shen.
48% winrate and still got nerfed LOL because of the LCS.
Didn't Darius get a penta in the LCS?
Crescent Dusk2 votesDarius has 49% win rate in plat+ with 11% pick rate Garen has 54% win rate in plat+ with 11% pick rate Yorick has 53.5% win rate in plat+ with 3.5% pick rate (doesn't deserve a nerf)
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/home/
How often are Yorick and Garen seen in pro play vs. Darius?
Oh, right. Never.
D357R0Y3R2 votesSo the boards complain non stop about balancing in pro but when riot balances around regular they complain too
nice to know
Press Q Win6 votesGaren doesn't deserve nerf..
rawiazam14 votes[{quoted}](name=Press Q Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G7WLgjFA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-13T11:06:58.911+0000)
Garen doesn't deserve nerf..
he dindu nuffin
Hayaishi6 votesDarius is not even close to being as problematic as Garen.
Garen is still a threat when he's behind due to his villain mechanic, Garen is tankier and harder to kite than Darius, Garen has a silence which makes him harder to fight against than Darius and he also has passive sustain due to his passive which Darius doesn't.
Jerry SeinfeId5 votesExcept Garen's passive doesn't work in combat. Darius heals so much in combat, if he was as tanky as a standard BC build garen nothing would be able to kill him.
I don't think either is broken right now, but they just excel in different situations. In Combat Sustain VS Raw defensive stats and Tenacity.
5Stacks1kTrueDmg5 votesTell me when did Darius ever become a problem this season?Yes I'm a Darius main but I'm genuinely interested to see how Darius has become a problem be it even in lower elos.
ValiantKiller3 votesTell me when did Darius ever become a problem this season?Yes I'm a Darius main but I'm genuinely interested to see how Darius has become a problem be it even in lower elos.
Why garen is problem right now ?
Cause he can build full tank and able to put alot of damage and since conquer was given to daruis, daruis almost if played right can 100% win lane from level1 while daruis can do like garen build full tank + and 
then run game over special late game.
5Stacks1kTrueDmg8 votesUm you do realise that if you properly kite Darius and deny him acquiring 5 stacks he becomes an immobile and tank-ish punching bag?And no Darius can't always win lane,I can point out so many match-ups where if you are Darius and the enemy laner is of equal skill he can shut you down/snowball off of you.
ValiantKiller3 votesUm you do realise that if you properly kite Darius and deny him acquiring 5 stacks he becomes an immobile and tank-ish punching bag?And no Darius can't always win lane,I can point out so many match-ups where if you are Darius and the enemy laner is of equal skill he can shut you down/snowball off of you.
and 
is his only counter as melee champions otherwise all melee champions can't stand fight with him .
5Stacks1kTrueDmg8 votesFiora,Kled,Jax,Udyr,Irelia,Riven,Trundle even Yorick and Illaoi that you yourself mentioned will shit on Darius if played correctly in lane.Not to mention a dozen if not all of them outscale Darius. You are very inexperienced and misinformed about toplane match-ups my friend.
NineTailedMystic1 votesBecause you totally can kite darius 100% of the time all the time, or disengage from him if you're melee. /s
5Stacks1kTrueDmg1 votesWell if you are a melee that can take him down in a 1v1,your best bet is to take him on.
VermillionWolf5 votesDarius would be stronger if not for the fact that everyone picks ranged these days. It might be biased but I go up vs 4-5 ranged comps frequently. They might have a Garen or Shen toplane but most of the time its a Quinn.
ValiantKiller1 votesDarius would be stronger if not for the fact that everyone picks ranged these days. It might be biased but I go up vs 4-5 ranged comps frequently. They might have a Garen or Shen toplane but most of the time its a Quinn.
Well quinn going to be hard nerfed next patch since they nerfing her ad per level, and yes you are right though the only 2 melee that can handle daruis in lane are and and that just cause they got safe poke even with his 350 range can't safe poke.
VermillionWolf4 votesNot really. Many toplaners cant duel him but taking ignite vs a Darius increases your kill potential massively because:
1)It reduces his healing by a ton (IF he hits you with outer Q, which he shouldnt if your good)
Garen with ignite can duel Darius if he gets a lead by Q'ing Darius at lvl 1 over and over. 
kinda shits on everything atm. 
has safe poke + farm. can win if the Jax is smart and good with trades. wins. CAN win if the Darius is bad (however I take 
on Darius so I just shit on him). wins. 
is a skill matchup (althought I think this one is in Darius's favour unless Kled takes ignite). 
wins. 
can win if Renekton is good.
Can win. skillmatchup (But I think this one is in Rivens favour personally). wins. wins. 50/50. wins. with GRASP might win.
Hibeki5 votesAs a darius main, garen is so fucking bad against anyone who can extended trade. Which is ironic considering he should be the king of that
ValiantKiller5 votesAs a darius main, garen is so fucking bad against anyone who can extended trade. Which is ironic considering he should be the king of that
That why he mostly weak against ranged champions.
Hibeki1 votesmeant to say darius was bad against anyone who can extended trade. my bad.
ValiantKiller1 votesmeant to say darius was bad against anyone who can extended trade. my bad.
Well like garen ranged champions just give him hell. xD
Hibeki1 votesExcept he also loses to the other people you have a problem with
ValiantKiller1 votesExcept he also loses to the other people you have a problem with
Like what?
Hibeki1 votesLike Garen and Yorick?
Wild Geese1 votesDarius didn't have the same kind of problem, he's about as effective in all elos and picked around the same rate in all of them too.
ValiantKiller2 votes[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G7WLgjFA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-13T10:52:18.198+0000)
Darius didn't have the same kind of problem, he's about as effective in all elos and picked around the same rate in all of them too.
Well i mean he got the same toxic level of building full tank and able to put alot of damage.
5Stacks1kTrueDmg1 votesIt's called being a bruiser. You are in-between building a mix of tanks items and damage to be beefy and threatening at the same time.
ValiantKiller2 votesIt's called being a bruiser. You are in-between building a mix of tanks items and damage to be beefy and threatening at the same time.
build them with tanky items like Daruis and Garen, yet they won't be able to do any sort of damage cause they scale with AD over HP.
5Stacks1kTrueDmg3 votesAre you on some sort of drugs or something?Urgot built bruiser blasts your face away with his passive,the cooldown of which goes down with levels.Illaoi dishes out a lot of AoE dmg and has great sustain,expecially in a team fight.Her dmg scales off with the health % of her targets as well so she doesn't fall off and can crack down tanks/bruisers.
3TWarrior1 votesillaoi actually has the highest potential damage of any champ, but she is balanced by her abilties requiring PERFECT circumstances and her actual damage is a delayed skillshot along with a melee dash
ValiantKiller1 votesillaoi actually has the highest potential damage of any champ, but she is balanced by her abilties requiring PERFECT circumstances and her actual damage is a delayed skillshot along with a melee dash
I mean here that both urgot and illaoi can't build full tank and put alot of damage, Illaoi E require alot of AD to make damage to spirit while urgot passive take the raw AD. On the other hand you got Daruis who his passive give him free AD while full tank + armor pen on his E, and Garen got free armor pen on his E as well.
3TWarrior1 votesHer E does a lot of damage even before you buff it with AD, but that's not where her damage comes from
her damage comes from her ultimate and use of her W. She has rather impressive burst damage and if she flash-ults or just ults for surprise hits, the damage scales drastically per champion hit with her ultimate
it's one of the rules of league: don't duel an illaoi that has her ultimate up , just like don't chase the singed! XD
to put it into perspective, each tentacle of her ultimate counts as a separate instance of damage
ValiantKiller1 votesHer E does a lot of damage even before you buff it with AD, but that's not where her damage comes from
her damage comes from her ultimate and use of her W. She has rather impressive burst damage and if she flash-ults or just ults for surprise hits, the damage scales drastically per champion hit with her ultimate
it's one of the rules of league: don't duel an illaoi that has her ultimate up , just like don't chase the singed! XD
to put it into perspective, each tentacle of her ultimate counts as a separate instance of damage
But i like to duel her with urgot late game though :')