The biggest problem league has in terms of balance

HateDaddy··2 votes·273 views

At a very simple way of describing it is that lane bullies don't fall off nearly as hard as they should. Even traditional lane bullies like Pantheon and Renekton can still straight up solo carries and trade 1 for 1 at almost every stage in the game. And while that doesn't happen nearly as consistently as it would during their largest power spike in the mid game, they are still a consistent threat to always do this. In past seasons however, this wasn't always true.

Some of what I blame this on are keystone masteries making damage so absurdly high that it doesn't take much to kill anything short of 200 of both resists plus 3.5k hp. Another thing I blame is all the stupid amounts of flat pen ADs can stack and use to blow up squishies and basically so true damage to them since they aren't going to be itemizing much defense.

The other part of this same problem is many late game power houses actually end up being really oppressive laners. Azir is a the poster child for this but he's hardly the only champion guilty of this. This applies to champions like yasuo, graves, Illaoi, fiora etc.

How can you balance a game where the best laners are also tending to be the best scalers? Why pick anything that needs time to ramp up when it'll be denied to hell and back only to barely outscale it's opponent? This is why the same group of champions constantly rotate in and out of being meta because you nerf one group and the old group just re-emerges.

I feel like this needs to change. I feel like late game scalers who traditionally suffer from poor lane phases need to actually have incentive to be played because currently many of them aren't worth picking when lane bullies scale almost as well while being able to provide non stop pressure from the very start of the game.

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HateDaddy1 votes

downvoted by azir mains while being 100-0'd from the other side of a wall. more like Azir Trump

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

Fiora is anything but oppressive early, they buffed her early game, but it didn't really do much. Her early game is her lowest rate by far totaling in at 46%, while her win rate past 41 minutes comes in at 51%, still balanced. Now win rate isnt all, but Fiora gets bullied very easy and only pokes somewhat if you let her hit vitals, which is not hard to prevent.

HateDaddy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Pumpkin Kinq,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G2WEoxTE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-07-27T15:00:59.398+0000)

Fiora is anything but oppressive early, they buffed her early game, but it didn't really do much. Her early game is her lowest rate by far totaling in at 46%, while her win rate past 41 minutes comes in at 51%, still balanced. Now win rate isnt all, but Fiora gets bullied very easy and only pokes somewhat if you let her hit vitals, which is not hard to prevent.

Who the hell came up with this "fiora gets bullied early" thing? Has anyone played against a half decent fiora who knows what the hell they're doing? She has virtually no mana costs, she can't be itemized against and she has some of the best tools for both all-ins and short trades.

Early game winrate is a metric I question in the first place. And quite frankly, I don't believe winrates tell a story for anything until you factor in several other variables. If you play against someone who knows how to play fiora, there's very few matches she loses. Is she stomping at levels 1-2? No, but once she hits 4 she starts immediately out trading most champions.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

Alright well, Riot said her early game was abysmal, so you know what? It is, this is known, has been know, just because you disagree doesn't change the fact its true. Her base stats are awful, and contrary to what you think she can only cycle her spells a max of 3 times before running oom. W has a ridiculously large cool down that is easy to abuse. her Q and E both have high cd's early. Even hitting things Fiora's Q has an 8 second cd before rank 3-4. Her E runs around a 13 second cd till its almost maxed.

At best, she can trade well, but if you keep on her she wont have anything to keep at you besides auto attacks. Or if you play someone like Renekton or Darius and just chunk her and leave, there really isn't much she can do about it. Shes easily punished and quite easy to gank. Now I know what you're gonna say "but Q and W make ganking her hard!" well no, W roots her, so don't throw hard cc or walk to the side and avoid it all together, and Q if she uses it to run away it doesn't go very far and will be on a high cd, then bam shes dead. So yes, she is rather weak early game.

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Pumpkin Kinq,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G2WEoxTE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-07-27T15:44:16.975+0000)

Alright well, Riot said her early game was abysmal, so you know what? It is, this is known, has been know, just because you disagree doesn't change the fact its true. Her base stats are awful, and contrary to what you think she can only cycle her spells a max of 3 times before running oom. W has a ridiculously large cool down that is easy to abuse. her Q and E both have high cd's early. Even hitting things Fiora's Q has an 8 second cd before rank 3-4. Her E runs around a 13 second cd till its almost maxed.

At best, she can trade well, but if you keep on her she wont have anything to keep at you besides auto attacks. Or if you play someone like Renekton or Darius and just chunk her and leave, there really isn't much she can do about it. Shes easily punished and quite easy to gank. Now I know what you're gonna say "but Q and W make ganking her hard!" well no, W roots her, so don't throw hard cc or walk to the side and avoid it all together, and Q if she uses it to run away it doesn't go very far and will be on a high cd, then bam shes dead. So yes, she is rather weak early game.

If you arent being oppressive when playing fiora early then you are definitly not in a high elo lol.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

You can go on believing whatever you want.

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Pumpkin Kinq,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G2WEoxTE,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-27T18:27:34.206+0000)

You can go on believing whatever you want.

Uh huh.

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