Are ADC mains happy now? (New PD)

Śhunpo·Feb 10, 2019·10 votes·1,108 views

Can you ADC mains finally stop complaining about getting oneshot now? You got what you wanted. You got an item that prevents every single class from bursting you in a single rotation. If I see any ADC complain about getting bursted this patch I'm just going to show them PD's icon and that's that.

In all seriousness though, can we just revert PD? I mean revert PD back to the OG PD, not that 12% damage reduction PD, the old PD. K thanks.

(Oh, and Yasuo mains, don't think I'm clueless as to what's going on with your champion. He's busted beyond belief with the new PD and I hope that you're forced into building Statikk again when they nerf it.)

23 Comments

hoganftwFeb 10, 201910 votes

ADCs complained when they were broken, so no. They will never stop whining. Their entire role is literally "I HAVE TO CARRY OR WE LOSE".

ADC YuumiFeb 10, 20198 votes

Along with that, the balance team keeps looking over the fact that a stealth point and click champion can kill any champion regardless of their items in seconds. Vayne

At least with Kai'sa you can build MR if you're squishy and build armor if you can handle her passive.

ŚhunpoFeb 10, 20194 votes

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Along with that, the balance team keeps looking over the fact that a stealth point and click champion can kill any champion regardless of their items in seconds.

At least with Kai'sa you can build MR if you're squishy and build armor if you can handle her passive.

Vayne Twitch Lucian are all far too strong right now. It's not just stealth point and click, it's also Lucian who is effectively an assassin with Press the Attack.

ADC YuumiFeb 10, 20194 votes

In all honesty Twitch seems fine right now. He's kinda a item only scaler because of his lack of more than 1 AD scaling.

ŚhunpoFeb 10, 20192 votes

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In all honesty Twitch seems fine right now. He's kinda a item only scaler because of his lack of more than 1 AD scaling.

I PLAY Twitch, he's one of my top champs, he's absolutely busted, and he's been that way for almost 3 seasons now. There hasn't been a single instance where he's been "bad". If he's bad in bot lane he's still an amazing cheese pick for the jungle. Champ's busted and needs some nerfs (probably to R and base stats).

SaezioFeb 10, 20192 votes

Idk, twitch has been bad since after ardent meta. Not even made it to top 5 marksmen in d1+ elo since

ŚhunpoFeb 10, 20191 votes

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Idk, twitch has been bad since after ardent meta. Not even made it to top 5 marksmen in d1+ elo since

Twitch is bad? That's news to me chief.

SaezioFeb 10, 20191 votes

Well, not like worst champ in the game bad. But never been in the top 5 adcs to play after the ardent meta. For example, atm I bet lucian vayne sivir draven jinx all have higher winrates and pick rates than twitch. And I would guess cassio and karthus too. And for jungle don't even get me started on how many champs are better than him xD.

ŚhunpoFeb 10, 20191 votes

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Well, not like worst champ in the game bad. But never been in the top 5 adcs to play after the ardent meta. For example, atm I bet lucian vayne sivir draven jinx all have higher winrates and pick rates than twitch. And I would guess cassio and karthus too. And for jungle don't even get me started on how many champs are better than him xD.

He's one of the best cheese champs in the jungle. Keyword, "cheese", meaning that when he works he bloody works.

As for ADC he's always slept on, and he's certainly never weak. Any ADC with 850 range in teamfights is bound to be at least above average in terms of viability.

What I'm trying to say is that he was/is never weak and he should not see any buffs. As someone who plays Twitch I can say with confidence that he'll never need them.

SaezioFeb 10, 20191 votes

If the enemy is bad sure. But if they know what buff you are starting (only idiots won't know) and the enemy jungler is not trash, they will just constantly fight you over your camps and you are much less valuable in a 2v2 scenario (mid/top jungler duo fighting at levels 2-5 ) than an actual jungler. They just need to track and fight you at all times. Not to mention terrible objective control/steal potential.

Those kind of picks only work if you are playing vs teams that have the coordination of plat at the very most.

G0blinSlay3rFeb 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mega Audinoz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G2GtlR0x,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-10T15:39:52.071+0000)

Along with that, the balance team keeps looking over the fact that a stealth point and click champion can kill any champion regardless of their items in seconds.

At least with Kai'sa you can build MR if you're squishy and build armor if you can handle her passive.

pyke, shows up invisible right next to you. hooked. goes on to penta thanks to his laughable stealth early and his late game ziggz nuke

SaezioFeb 10, 20191 votes

Invisibility and stealth are different mechanics. He also breaks stealth to use a spell. Not to mention his winrates.

G0blinSlay3rFeb 10, 20191 votes

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Invisibility and stealth are different mechanics. He also breaks stealth to use a spell. Not to mention his winrates.

he becomes visible just as he hooks you, 0 seconds to react at close range.

SaezioFeb 10, 20191 votes

Have you played pyke? He needs to channel and his channel breaks stealth. If you have flash or even the slightest mobility spell its the easiest dodge. Now if you fail to see him appear that is on you. He is also self slowed while channelling Q

So, 0,5 second MINIMUM delay after stealth breaks to channel Q + he has to be away enough for stealth not to reveal before it, Then there is the travel time. So you have at least 0,6 seconds where you see him slowly walking towards you charging his Q atleast 300 units away from you

G0blinSlay3rFeb 10, 20191 votes

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Have you played pyke? He needs to channel and his channel breaks stealth. If you have flash or even the slightest mobility spell its the easiest dodge. Now if you fail to see him appear that is on you. He is also self slowed while channelling Q

So, 0,5 second MINIMUM delay after stealth breaks to channel Q + he has to be away enough for stealth not to reveal before it, Then there is the travel time. So you have at least 0,6 seconds where you see him slowly walking towards you charging his Q atleast 300 units away from you

nope but i have gone VS him enough to know if he is stealthed that close ur boned for that match.. here's a tip about LoL things are never what they seem.

ŚhunpoFeb 10, 20191 votes

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pyke, shows up invisible right next to you. hooked. goes on to penta thanks to his laughable stealth early and his late game ziggz nuke

That's not the issue with Pyke, the issue is that he's so elusive as well. He moves at mach 5 in W and his E is almost entirely designed for escapes. You can easily spend more than 30 seconds trying to catch him and he'll still find a way out unless you chain CC him or one-tap him.

G0blinSlay3rFeb 10, 20191 votes

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That's not the issue with Pyke, the issue is that he's so elusive as well. He moves at mach 5 in W and his E is almost entirely designed for escapes. You can easily spend more than 30 seconds trying to catch him and he'll still find a way out unless you chain CC him or one-tap him.

true. he outruns nearly everything. so in theory he could gap close regardless of anything you try.

tPnV36pOV3tCmrWLFeb 10, 20192 votes

The role keeps bouncing back and forth between "the 1v9 role" and "designated objective damage" so I think ADC mains are just confused as to what they want to be

Sir SaltarinFeb 10, 20193 votes

First of all: my complain with the now old crit items was that you didn't had the dmg to compensate being one shotted so easily, for me the problem was how low dmg adcs had, not that we were one shotted.

Second: I'm not sure, I have to try more the new items and see also how the meta on pro play adapts to 9.3 to see how huge the changes are, because what is sure is that the crit buffs have not been that massive just by looking at how the soloQ stats for non crit adcs.

To use a more clear example: as long as Lucian on soloQ for stats is showed as a counterpick to Caitlyn when for their design Caitlyn murders him we can assume that crit isn't that busted and that the adc meta has not changed that much.

Irelia BotFeb 10, 20193 votes

Marksmen are never happy.

Trying to make them happy is a mistake since they will still complain about dying.

AR URFFeb 10, 20192 votes

Seems like a lot of you anti adc players are projecting. It's not just ADCs that don't like getting one shot.

tPnV36pOV3tCmrWLFeb 10, 20192 votes

I honestly hate the new PD

SaezioFeb 10, 20191 votes

Yasuo is not good with new pd because it means he can't get steraks. Rather go with item 3031 item 3087 item 3053 item 3022 to do both damage and have survivability