Can we get rid of Fizz's cd refund on a minion kill?

Revali·5/15/2017, 5:37:45 PM·96 votes·3,383 views

Shits stupid if he uses his main damaging ability to farm he should be punished for it, not given free power like that.

I mean yeah this is salt from getting stomped by a fizz, id be fine with his w dealing retarded damage if it means he cant use it to farm freely aswell.

112 Comments

Penns5/15/2017, 5:44:14 PM43 votes

Annie

Darth West5/15/2017, 5:42:30 PM37 votes

I'd be careful

Some people are calling Fizz perfectly balanced and down vote anyone who says he's overpowered.

I do agree with you though, it is bull crap.

Joxcab5/15/2017, 6:32:36 PM15 votes

Yes let's just make him completely fucking useless against any ranged matchup why not.

Velasan5/15/2017, 8:10:27 PM9 votes

Fizz's main problems are and always will be two things.

  1. The on hit damage he gains from his abilities. This is more in line with a bruiser or a tank, yet Riot wants you to play this champion as a squishy assassin. That doesn't add up.

  2. The "Troll Poll." No other champion has what amounts to indestructibility on a basic ability. Consider how broken it would be if Kayle could do short ultimate's on a lower CD as one of her basic abilities instead of as her ultimate, and it gave her a short dash on top of that.

However, for the mean time it doesn't appear like they will be altering his kit any time soon. They like the idea of Fizz as a slippery assassin. The problem he has is the same as Leblanc, when given too much power paired with that much safety they basically get to do whatever they want once they are fed enough. After a couple kills from roaming Fizz gets to decide when and where he will fight people and when he does he has a ton of damage and mobility.

I am not a fan of nerfing fizz though, I just want them to move parts of his kit around so that he doesn't do everything so well. If he is supposed to be a slippery assassin... great... make him an assassin. Not this bruiser hybrid thingy he always turns into.

Opistach5/15/2017, 10:56:14 PM8 votes

This feature is needed if Fizz wants to have a laning phase that isn't insanely stressful. He has no real farming abilities or waveclear, unless you consider his E good waveclear? Although early the damage is fairly negligible against minions and it is on a 18 second cooldown for most of the laning phase without CDR depending on his match up.

I speak for AP Fizz players however, not tank Fizz players.

Requiemsfire5/16/2017, 3:20:08 PM2 votes

I don't mean to try and argue that Fizz isn't broken or that he is somehow balanced but I don't think targeting an ability he uses for farming is the way to go. I mean his farming isn't exactly great.

XxDRAGONsAK47xX5/16/2017, 12:31:21 PM2 votes

I have 0 problems fighting a fizz lol.

EVerytime I fight a fizz I usually destroy them horribly as Anivia.

Was 3/0 against a Fizz in the first 5 minutes.

Takazaki5/15/2017, 10:44:25 PM1 votes

Annie