Why isn't tryndamere scheduled for some big time rework?

Sayonara Shabi·May 7, 2018·39 votes·12,997 views

nothing healthy or fair about this champion

42 Comments

HethaleanMay 7, 201811 votes

Mark Merryl (the previous or current CEO) is named Riot Tryndamere. I'm guessing that might have some sway there.

VelvetCrotchMay 7, 20181 votes

And that's a reason for.... what?

two antlersMay 7, 20181 votes

What about Riot Ryze though? That's a champion they're obviously not worried about reworking every now and then lol.

koshkyraMay 7, 20189 votes

He isnt in the LC$

TheCodeisCupCakeMay 7, 20181 votes

This comment is under rated xD

VelvetCrotchMay 7, 20181 votes

I guess that's the point. Made me cry and laugh at the same time lol

KZ EngelMay 7, 20187 votes

did you just lose to a trynd

Dope SoloMay 7, 20182 votes

If he did it woldn't be the first time for him or quite a few others.

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 7, 20184 votes

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did you just lose to a trynd

It doesnt matter, I agree with him. And thats comming from someone who really started loving trynd. The issue is that I love him on my gold 5 smurf account, when I actually climb there isnt single situation when I would pick trynd over Camille. Trynd does need a rework because his kit is simply inferior to even likes of Master Yi.

VerxintMay 7, 201820 votes

I'll just roll some dice and tell you if I lost to a Tryn or not...

Z3SleeperMay 7, 20184 votes

Underrated comment lmfao

Pumping IronMay 7, 20186 votes

Hes not overpowered and hes played mostly by his mains, hes in same situation as udyr.

InfernapeMay 7, 201821 votes

No one said anything about him being overpowered. Unhealthy =/= overpowered.

TempName54846May 7, 20185 votes

compared to shit like kat, yasuo, gnar, kai'sa ... list 50 other champions ... his pretty healthy fam.

VelvetCrotchMay 7, 20187 votes

I would easily put him before some of your list

TempName54846May 7, 20183 votes

i guess it depends on where you play as trynda is more broken the lower you go and the others are more broken the higher you go on the elo ladder.

MuffledGarbageMay 7, 20186 votes

Trynd is an inherently unhealthy champion VS the other champs you listed can be nerfed to be less-bad

Trynd's main damage comes from crits that he will be able to get through RNG at level one

Fights between a Trynd and any non-ranged champion come down to how many crits does Trynd get during the fight

0 crits = Trynd loses

1 crit = Trynd OR other champ might win

2 crits = Trynd has a high chance of winning

3 crits = Trynd wins

There's an RNG chance that at 5 rage(literally one basic attack for trynd) that he will crit 3 times in a row. RIot's psudo-RNG makes it very unlikely that a triple-crit would happen at level one, but the RNG chance is still there

All outcomes against Trynd earlygame come down to if he crits

There isn't a "dodge his skillshot, get in the weak hit of his sweeping move, dodge a specific move that he uses" there is NONE of that in counterplay

What IS on Trynd is a literal RNG-carnival ride that will win or lose the toplane for the Trynd player or Trynd's opponent

InfernapeMay 7, 20184 votes

I'd personally take all of their kits over losing lane because I got RNG crit three times at level one.

SalsonMay 7, 20187 votes

hes in same situation as udyr

So balanced, but unhealthy, outdated and in need of a rework? Yup

Gamer GalladeMay 7, 20185 votes

A part of me believes that he might get reworked after Nunu's rework is done and they figure out which champion deserves a rework.

I feel like he needs one after Mordekaiser .

Depends on the situation, after these ADC items changes hits live and Tryndamere gets nerfed (i feel like it will happen to be honest.) into oblivion because of it. He could be next in line for a Full Rework like Galio

Feel ApathyMay 7, 20181 votes

Doubtful.

He gets 35% crit from his passive, if IE works with it, he'll need a single crit item other than IE to be capped while doing more true damage than currently.

Agent CorgiMay 7, 20183 votes

I actually tried out the New Infinity Edge on Tryndamere, I can confirm that it does indeed apply to his passive & Infinity Edge alone gives him up to 70% Crit Chance. Given that he also has the Conqueror Rune, he could possibly have up to 40% True Damage on his Auto Attacks (Vs Champions of course).

FutureCreatorMay 7, 20181 votes

(Vs Champions of course)

Oh, thank God! I was worried for a second.

Agent CorgiMay 8, 20181 votes

While it might not sound like much, Tryndamere will still have 20% True Damage Autos vs everything else thanks to Infinity Edge. The only time he'll have that extra 20% will be when Conqueror is Activated.

While patch 8.11 is still a while away & it's unknown how Tryndamere will act on live servers, I can see him receiving a small sized rework (roughly the size of the one given to Xin Zhao) if he's not outright gutted.

KVbqbFsC8eMay 7, 20184 votes

Who doesn't love getting crit 3 times at level 1?

sobi999May 7, 20184 votes

and this guy Teemo

MarothennanMay 7, 20183 votes

Right arm 2 stronk

DragonMastaWolfyMay 7, 20183 votes

He's functional, a bit of fun, and isn't completely unbalanceable, so that's probably why.

hhaavviikkMay 7, 20182 votes

no idea, also no idea why ryze keeps getting rework attention over tryndamere

Gamer GalladeMay 7, 20182 votes

because hes a mess in terms of balance ever sense he was made sense before Season 0 and they are trying too hard to keep his Identity.

I sometimes believe they should just ditch his gameplay identity and replace it with a new one that ties him with lore and works nicely in game.

VelvetCrotchMay 7, 20183 votes

Fcking LCS. Fck this priorities and sh*t.

Snowman ArcMay 7, 20182 votes

This champion can be the most annoying thing to face. I remember playing against him recently, at level 3, I tried to all in him as Jax, he has his full bar, so 35% crit, I bring him quite low, then he jumps on me and starts autoing me. Crits me once, I'm like YIKES, but it can happen, I keep fighting, crits me again, but I'm close to killing him now, so I keep fighting him, thinking that if he doesn't crit THREE TIMES IN A ROW AT 35%, I'll kill him. He then gets a third crit and kills me.

That's like so freaking stupid. This bad RNG just gave him a free kill essentially and then, the lane went downhill.

okamiyasha95May 7, 20182 votes

Honestly, tryndamere isn't balanced but at the same time, he is not overpowered. In fact, he is underpowered. All the opponent has to do is equip the colossus rune, build thornmail, frozen heart, or randuin's and then put on some tabi's and tryndamere can't fight. All opponent's have to do is build tabi's and tryndamere gets countered. Everybody pokes tryndamere out of lane in the early game making him useless in mid game only able to split feed push top and hope the enemy team is too occupied to stop his push. He has no counterplay to CC whatsoever. His escape isn't like tristana's or ezreal's where they can get stunned and still get away. In every fight, he is extremely easy to kite and predict. He is heavily reliant upon his team having pressure to successfully split or team fight. He has to stay on top of you to even damage you. Before you talk about how powerful Tryndamere is, you need to address the 100 mile, 1000 mixed damage with each auto and a 20 second cd invulnerability on Kayle.

TheCodeisCupCakeMay 7, 20181 votes

Nah i prefer current Tryndamere, love trading against a LIVING CRIT ROULLETE

Furious DelishaMay 7, 20181 votes

I appreciate that he's one of the very very few champions left in the game where perma-splitting is the best option for him. We need more strategic diversity back in the game. Every game revolving around teamfighting (COUGHPROTECTINGTHEADCCOUGH) gets a little boring

CasterGilgameshMay 7, 20181 votes

i want tryn rework just so he can lose that ugly model he has currently and replaces with something more...~~sexy ~~ i mean manly

6KEMBE4ORBAMay 7, 20181 votes

Oh god, for fuck sake!

Someone saw the recent thread and spams for more upvotes by thriving on the huge misconception/fear that Conqueror + new IE will be broken op or smth on Trynd while no one knows what they're talking about at all...

lol

Proof ----> I don't see any high elo players (even former high plats/diamond) in these threads?

No need of a rework, his ceiling is pretty high and playstyle is unique - they need to stop nerfing him indirectly (like right now), nerf other stuff and start balancing the game properly.

McsquzzyMay 8, 20181 votes

Personally I don't like trynds passive of gaining crit and technically he loses 50% of his damage with the IE change but gets more armor negation so items with health become more desirable, SO MUNDO IS NEW KING

sKz Aaron DMay 7, 20181 votes

Maybe he's not scheduled for a rework because only Ryze cares about the champion named after himself. And Tryndamere doesn't give a rat's ass.

Possibility.

Teridax68May 8, 20181 votes

To those reading through this: let's please take the time to realize that the thread criticizes Tryndamere for being unhealthy, not for being overpowered. The original post unfortunately doesn't really develop on this, but the core criticism most players have of Tryndamere is that his success is far too dependent on RNG, and there is very little to him that is actually interactive. Even when putting aside his terrible innate random crit, and crit dependence on E, another problem with Trynd is that his kit makes him splitpush the entire game, as he's terrible in teamfights, but exceedingly good at dueling most other top laners past a certain number of items, when his ultimate is up. There are layers upon layers of bad design that make Tryndamere quite possibly one of the least interactive champions in the game right now, as well as one of the least interesting champions to play. He needs a rework not simply to improve his counterplay, but also to truly let him fulfil his fantasy as an unkillable, rage-fuelled barbarian king with a big sword. Until then, he will remain a perma-splitpusher whose entire success revolves around cheesing at levels 1-2 and getting a lucky dice roll.