Duskblade has been reworked like 3 times and all 3 versions have been problematic

It's been reworked once and since then has only had slight changes, a recipe change, and number changes. The first iteration was complete ass. This post is all wrong lol.

dfg, too op on mages, removed duskblade being built on everybody? a-ok

the lethality build is the problem. Stacking lethality and having khazix be able to 1 hit people is a load of shit.

Duskblade is a crutch for assassins.

The problem isn't with assasins using it, it's always with the non-intended users abusing it.

If you remove it, you have to buff assassins.

Post assassin-update, Riot added more counterplay to assassins; however, that goes against their identity. Assassins need to kill targets instantly or they become useless, because that's their entire purpose. Even now, with the duskblade crutch, many assassins still struggle to kill things like Vayne, in between all the shielding and healing.

If assassins don't instantly delete targets, they just get peeled off, bursted, cc'd, and lifestealed on.

So when Riot did the assassin update and extended burst windows, many of them just didn't work well without duskblade, which gave them basically the free instant burst that people were complaining about beforehand (albeit smaller amount of dmg). That's one of the main reasons you don't see the old diverse AD builds from assassins pre-assassin update (Hydra, Bt, Botrk, Cleaver earlier on, etc).

When Riot extended the assassin burst time, it severely crippled them, so the class had to be compensated in other ways. Duskblade is one of the primary reasons the AD assassins are even viable.

If you nerf or remove duskblade, then ad assassins will need pretty significant compensation buffs. Taking away duskblade from assassins would be like removing cleaver from Juggernauts or IE from ADCs; duskblade is essential to the AD assassins.

Can we remove zed along with it?

Take a steamy crap on assassin and he also gets camped. No matter, once he buys his MeMeBlade of DankTharr it's over. Proceeds to pull damage out of the ass, goes from 0/5 to 10/5 and carry game despite best efforts. Not to mention its passively tells what bushes are warded. Remove stupid item when?

Why is it a problem for Ezreal to be able to half health you with a single Q from Dusk Blade and a Trinity Force Proc? That's not unhealthy at all

Just remove the item.

Overloaded item

IMO everyone who complains about/upvotes complaints regarding duskblade should be insta demoted to bronze 4.

And their champ roster should be limited to melee AD assassin champs only till they climb out of bronze to Silver 5.

I think Lethality should be removed in general at times But the real problem is just how over-stuffed it is. It doesn't need to let you deal extra damage, give you 10% CDR and blind wards while you destroy them.

The op part is the vision part of the damage passive imho

let me clarify

the passive lets you know if you have been spotted as long as you got that proc passive up you are not spotted

kinda bs

Yes. It should.

IMO, Duskblade's Nightstalker passive is great thematically on an Assassin. A vision control tool that helps you clear the enemy vision and set up your ambushes.

The proc though is just a bandaid solution to (AD) assassin problems atm though. Said problem being getting enough damage to kill an ADC viably. Because the game is entirely decided around the ADC in most cases.

So assassins can struggle even more? No thanks. Assassins aren't even the ones abusing the item. Talon's damage basically comes from this item now hence his drastic winrate drop. I guess it's cool though to hate on assassins..

To be honest though, edge of night is the item that needs reworked. It's completely useless. Like why do you have to activate it instead of it already being active like banshee's veil? The only time anyone ever builds this item is for the lethality.

I think the problem with Duskblade is with how it's been designed to cater to assassins: as a class, assassins are, or at least should be, defined by high natural burst. While every damage champion should obviously rely on items to supplement their damage, assassins should not need to rely on an item to become bursty, which is ultimately what Duskblade aims to do. Because every iteration of it ended up adding burst damage to its wielder, it has always ended up being abused by champions who aren't, or at least shouldn't be innately bursty, as is the case now for several divers. Additionally, because its current mode of damage application is on-hit upfront burst, it also tends to remove counterplay on a lot of AD assassins, particularly when compared to AP assassins, whose damage is much more back-loaded and dependent on abilities that can miss.

Because of this, I think Duskblade, and assassin itemization in general, should aim not to make the class more bursty, but to give effects that complement their innate burst. I think being able to create vision blackouts is a fine idea, and I think it could be interesting to elevate assassins as the premier anti-vision class in the game, as it would complement their theme and open up more stealth avenues without having to resort to invisibility or camouflage. In this respect, I think Duskblade still has a niche it could cover, even if I also think its on-hit damage/slow needs to go completely.