Udyr got worse than sejuani'd.

Eyesack··7 votes·757 views

Udyr currently sits at a 47% winrate in diamond. Mind you that at the seasons start udyr was the highest winrate champion in diamond sitting at a 56% winrate for about 3 patch cycles.

So how did his winrate go down a whole 9%? He only got something like 4 nerfs but what really did him in was that after all these nerfs, the worst being the COMPLETE neutering of his phoenix stance damage, all the items he used got nerfed as well. Runic echoes, swifties, iceborn gauntlet, rageblade, spirit visage, devourer, zzrot, dead mans, and a few others. All of these items got toned down.

Not only that, but towers got buffed. So the entire strategy of backdooring that udyr aims for was hurt as well.

So right now udyr sucks. His early game clear is absolute garbage and he does't really scale into anything particularly strong to compensate. I'd say revert the phoenix stance changes altogether. It didn't really make sense to begin with. Udyr is a purr melee champion, the ONLY thing that ability does is damage, and it was only doing too much damage because runic echoes was op. Now it does garbage damage and as a result udyr isn't even threatening if he gets melee range. The nerfs where the damage on rank 1 phoenix was almost halved needs to be reverted or udyr will continue to be in a garbage state.

15 Comments

Dreadlocks2 votes

The problem is the nerfed something about Udyr that has been fine since season 3 (or since forever really) His R damage.. I'm not saying don't nerf the damage his R does, but they nerfed EVERYTHING about it.. The flat damage shouldn't of been touched when clearly his synergy with Runic is wut made it overbearing to some. Killing the AP ratio should've been the first approach imo.

Eyesack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Red Rengo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FuAAbiIF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-06-18T20:02:17.523+0000)

The problem is the nerfed something about Udyr that has been fine since season 3 (or since forever really) His R damage.. I'm not saying don't nerf the damage his R does, but they nerfed EVERYTHING about it.. The flat damage shouldn't of been touched when clearly his synergy with Runic is wut made it overbearing to some. Killing the AP ratio should've been the first approach imo.

Yea it was overnerfed. Nowadays if an udyr gets in melee range of a squishy he just tickles them and then has to run away. Not only that but the first and second jungle clear is actually a joke its so bad..

Dreadlocks1 votes

I mean, i personally felt that way about Phoenix udyr up until runic was released anyways.. now i feel like i have to go tiger if i want to be a threat of any kind.

Michael Sykes1 votes

not really. His early game is weaker, but he becomes better as the game goes on and players with experience on him have a solid winrate. Additionally, his winrate increased again after 6.9

Eyesack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Michael Sykes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FuAAbiIF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-06-18T19:26:40.447+0000)

not really. His early game is weaker, but he becomes better as the game goes on and players with experience on him have a solid winrate. Additionally, his winrate increased again after 6.9

What.. check champion.gg. his winrate hit an all time low during the 6.9 patch. Not only that, but players with 125+ games average a 53% winrate. That is farrr below average for 125+ games on a champion. In fact, its a pretty terrible reward for spending the 125+ games to master the champ (tho he is pretty easy ill admit). If you actually look at the data both of things you said are just flat out wrong...

Michael Sykes1 votes

yeah I know, but he is playable. And he is still good in the lategame. Probably he is going to be stronger soon, as tanky junglers become meta at the moment. And you are probably right, but Lee Sin as an example does not even reach 50% with 125+ games. Better buff him?

Eyesack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Michael Sykes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FuAAbiIF,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-18T19:40:43.718+0000)

yeah I know, but he is playable. And he is still good in the lategame. Probably he is going to be stronger soon, as tanky junglers become meta at the moment. And you are probably right, but Lee Sin as an example does not even reach 50% with 125+ games. Better buff him?

Personally i think lee could use some buffs at the moment.

Michael Sykes1 votes

let us see how the udyr winrate is this patch. Tomorrow the champion.gg data should be out, atm he has a 49.53% winrate in NA according to na.op.gg

I am not a Lee player, but how you'd like a cooldown reduction of his w?

Eyesack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Michael Sykes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FuAAbiIF,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-18T19:52:36.342+0000)

let us see how the udyr winrate is this patch. Tomorrow the champion.gg data should be out, atm he has a 49.53% winrate in NA according to na.op.gg

I am not a Lee player, but how you'd like a cooldown reduction of his w?

I really cant say what id buff about lee. I have next to no experience playing as him but against him its very easy to get an exp/cs advantage on him in the jungle and he falls off pretty hard. Id probably just increase his clear speed somehow if i was going to buff him.

Michael Sykes1 votes

I thought about the w cd because it could give him mehr possibilities for plays. The problem with buffing his clear speed (means damage) is that it would buff his early game, which is already very strong. Probably a bonus damage to monsters on his could help

LadyRenly1 votes

good, Udyr is a disgusting champion to face, his kit is bullshit and can build any item in the game. Any time he approaches 50% winrate he's just busted.

As it is, Udyr is still very viable.

Eyesack2 votes

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good, Udyr is a disgusting champion to face, his kit is bullshit and can build any item in the game. Any time he approaches 50% winrate he's just busted.

As it is, Udyr is still very viable.

'He is just busted' what was the point of your post? You didn't even explain what you think makes him busted... I would say i expect better but you clearly have no understanding of the game whatsoever.

Blåbæret1 votes

The problem with Udyr is that he's top 5 most faceroll champs to play in this game. A chimp could play him. Builds full tank, deals an insane amount of damage, can't die because you can't catch him, but he can catch you.

MisterShameless1 votes

Udyr has clear weaknesses and people still complain about him. He has no gap closer! Someone like Trundle trundle can cut your escape off or Tryndamere can slow you and dash onto you then there is Nasus who has a powerful slow to catch you. And Udyr? he has a self speed boost and sometimes needs to burn a summoner 4 to get close to someone. Now people are complaining about volibear for the similar reason lol He has the same freaking weaknesses as well, but different strengths.

Daxanater1 votes

rip d godyr

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