Akali's ban rate decreased to 45% after one week

D357R0Y3R·Dec 23, 2018·17 votes·10,326 views

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I will give something to Riot we went from around 75% ban rate to 45% ban rate, the shroud changes helped people when it came to not getting hardcountered just because you didn't have AOE damage.

The ban rate might decrease even more after some times, people in high elo are banning her less and less

it would make no sense to keep banning her when is god tier right now https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/1bfe5c51801054af2da5a666840bec68-png.jpg

Galio is legit gamebreaking right now his Q with 500 ap deals about 700+27% max hp

Now fix Irelia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl_WhX0vWtw

First timing Irelia should not result in a pentakill

49 Comments

Super SandmanneDec 23, 201810 votes

I'm still going to ban her lol

DuskDaUmbreonDec 24, 20183 votes

I mean. It's your fault if you want to waste your ban on someone who's never going to do well in your games.

Super SandmanneDec 24, 20181 votes

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I mean. It's your fault if you want to waste your ban on someone who's never going to do well in your games.

Well, even if you're right about that and picking akali is an instant loss, I won't have her on my team either. So I'm going to do it still

Malix FarwinDec 24, 20182 votes

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I'm still going to ban her lol

I wish i could say that but Irelia and Leblanc are sadly much worse atm.

ankoanko19Dec 23, 20189 votes

Irelia's already confirmed a gameplay update in patch 9.2. They should just revert this trash champ tbh

NevrankroatonDec 23, 20188 votes

Why revert? It is lazy solution, they just need to tone down her number on her Q/Passive and if they ever nerf conqueror, it will calm her down.

ankoanko19Dec 23, 20183 votes

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Why revert? It is lazy solution, they just need to tone down her number on her Q/Passive and if they ever nerf conqueror, it will calm her down.

They tone down her passive dmg. What happens? She returns to 8.14 status where nobody plays her and she cant duel. They tone down her Q dmg? What Q dmg? The minion dmg maybe but the champ dmg has such a low scaling that the only thing that could actually do something major is removing the on hit effect but removing it and you're killing her.

This rework was so trash outside of the VU. In hindsight Irelia REALLY did not need this big rework. They just needed to work on her old passive and potentially her E stun. Otherwise people very rarely complained about her. She was an iconic champion aswell. Dare I say that the old Irelia actually took more skill than the current one? Nevermind how Irelias current W has 0 synergy with her. Like it makes 0 sense on her. The old Irelias kit flowed so nicely and the current one would also do that if it wasnt for this weird ass ability. ''We made a mobile champion that stands still!'' They should just revert her, rework her W and R and then put her out to the public. At least me and the other old Irelia mains would be able to enjoy her again. This current rework quite literally killed everything that made Irelia, well Irelia, outside of her Q. She cant duel reliably, she has too good of a teamfighting and decision making is way to low compared to the old one.

D357R0Y3RDec 23, 20184 votes

You say that her old passive and E needed work

then you say that they should revert her and rework W+R

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ankoanko19Dec 23, 20181 votes

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You say that her old passive and E needed work

then you say that they should revert her and rework W+R

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Bad strawman or you misunderstood. I said that her ''toxic'' components of her old kit was her E and passive. Riot has reworked all of her abilities and her E and her current passive are actually really well balanced abilities. However with the rework they ruined once good abilities, aka her W and R. If they were to revert her for a small period of time (also known as a less toxic state than she currently is in) then they could rework her W and R again if they wanna keep her current passive and E in her kit. Because realistically speaking, the current passive wouldnt make sense on old Irelia. And the old Irelia with the current mark system would be the most oppressive shit in the world (that's another mechanic which they really didnt need to introduce, it made her skill ceiling too easy).

Ralik098Dec 25, 20181 votes

Her winrate is already very low and they are going to nerf her more. They created two more Ryze like champions with the Akali and Irelia reworks trying to fix problems that didn't even exist. Just fucking revert them and admit you made a mistake.

NevrankroatonDec 25, 20181 votes

Akali is nowhere near Ryze or Irelia in term of "God tiers in the hands of a pro player/main", she just had a frustrating mechanic like Yasuo windwall, it is all.

Irelia just deal too much damage too quickly on squishy early on, you tune that down or make it more delayed/her being more vulnerable (hence why they nerfed her W which was insane) and it is already better.

saltranDec 24, 20182 votes

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Irelia's already confirmed a gameplay update in patch 9.2. They should just revert this trash champ tbh

Source ?

Ralik098Dec 25, 20181 votes

They need to revert both Akali and Irelia.

rawiazam1Dec 23, 20185 votes

wow! one player over there did a penta first timing a certain champ x.

so that means that champ x is busted!

Genghis KhatDec 23, 20188 votes

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wow! one player over there did a penta first timing a certain champ x.

so that means that champ x is busted!

in high elo where people know how to play? :^/ ye pretty amazing actually.

rawiazam1Dec 23, 20183 votes

you shouldn't care about elo.

a sample size of fkn 1 doesn't reflect anytihng.

let me just ignore every first time irelia master+ in the world and focus on the only one that did good with her first time. so i can cherrypick and say that she is broken

see lads, eating paper cures cancer, if you look at that one person in our study that ate paper, he is now cancer free
but what about the otherr 99?
dead people doesn't count? pretty amazing that this dude survived, where's my noble prize

Genghis KhatDec 23, 20183 votes

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you shouldn't care about elo.

a sample size of fkn 1 doesn't reflect anytihng.

let me just ignore every first time irelia master+ in the world and focus on the only one that did good with her first time. so i can cherrypick and say that she is broken

I mean some what true, lucky games happen even when you first time something. but i mean i kinda had the same happen to me :p This was in aram but all my teammates were dead 2 targets were 50% 1 was 100% and another was like 10% that instagibbed with Q i got a quadra without realising it, died to brand passive tho u-u but still i mean you can't really defend irelia the champ (just looking at it) you instantly know that is broken.

also doublelift himself says he missed everything and still got the penta :p

rawiazam1Dec 23, 20182 votes

looking only at the champion:

she has 45% winrate at diamond+
people that have more than 50 ranked games with her(ones who should do very well) have only 49% winrate with her. for example, nunu has 70%
games where irelia have a 2 kill advantage by the 10th minute have 59% winrate, one of the lowest. the heighest being ivern with 79%
with 4 kill advantage she has 64% winrate, also one of the lowest ivern has 93% bard 91%

#all those games are taken from diamond+ ranked games

so no, i see no reason for her to be overpowered. she's literally one of the worst champions by statistics

D357R0Y3RDec 23, 20184 votes

you know who else had 45% win rate in diamond? fucking azir

was he balanced?

My %%% was even more balanced than that shit Win rate doesn't mean anything if high elo players permaban a champion If akali stays permabanned she gets an other nerf, but now her ban rate is decreasing

Irelia is still permabanned in high elo, and looking at TF blade is enough to see how imbalanced she is

rawiazam1Dec 23, 20182 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/winrates-by-xp/diamond https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/snowballing-stats/diamond https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/diamond/by-winrate

please enlighten me as to how banrate dictates how good a champion is

Genghis KhatDec 23, 20182 votes

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looking only at the champion:

she has 45% winrate at diamond+

people that have more than 50 ranked games with her(ones who should do very well) have only 49% winrate with her. for example, nunu has 70%

games where irelia have a 2 kill advantage by the 10th minute have 59% winrate, one of the lowest. the heighest being ivern with 79%

with 4 kill advantage she has 64% winrate, also one of the lowest ivern has 93% bard 91%

#all those games are taken from diamond+ ranked games

so no, i see no reason for her to be overpowered. she's literally one of the worst champions by statistics

Ryze has one of the lowest winrates yes he is horrificly strong in a coordinated team? same with azir?

Also TF blade irelia btw :/

rawiazam1Dec 23, 20181 votes

both of them are garbage in lcs, with 44% winrate https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/lcs/by-winrate

once upon a time they were strong, but not now

funny how people downvote it because it doesn't allign with thier world view even though they have no coutner argument

chipndip1Dec 23, 20182 votes

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both of them are garbage in lcs, with 44% winrate https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/lcs/by-winrate

once upon a time they were strong, but not now

funny how people downvote it because it doesn't allign with thier world view even though they have no coutner argument

Welcome to the other side of the Lucifer Effect, my guy.

rawiazam1Dec 24, 20181 votes

i don't see the colleration

DuskDaUmbreonDec 24, 20184 votes

This exactly.

A minuscule sample size means nothing.

In theory, it would be possible for me to get 5 pentakills on my first time as Riven (if my first game as Riven hadn't already happened, that is). That's not out of the realm of possibility. Yet nobody would call Riven easy.

It happens. Sometimes you just get a super lucky game and pop the hell off despite not knowing what you're doing. Hell, my first real Penta was on GP, when he wasn't that great, and I'm still pretty bad at GP to this day. I got lucky and did really well through almost blind luck.

OneMustFallDec 24, 20185 votes

Ban rate is probably the worst way to gauge whether a champion is strong or not but people attempt to do it anyway. Ban rate is literally whatever champ is popular to whine about ATM. I remember when Kass kept getting banned for months even after he was nerfed into oblivion. It took months for people to realize he wasn't strong anymore to stop banning him.

BestPudgeNADec 23, 20184 votes

That's only 3 times as high as it would be if she was a balanced champ

Also she's still above 75% pick ban in master tier

D357R0Y3RDec 23, 20184 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/champion/Akali/ https://i.gyazo.com/e36671d338167d3fd376ecd445451e26.png

????

ThefrostyvikingDec 23, 20184 votes

OP are you seriously using that video as a example of why Irelia is too strong?

No mention as to how his entire team basically left the majority of the enemy team low on health to the point where they either died from a E-Q-Q, a Q-AA-AA or a R-Q-Q.

Hells i am seriously sure that Irelia there could easily be replaced by like Jax, Fiora, Yasou, Yi, lee sin, Zed, wukong, Riven or even Kayn.

Video clip of a first time Irelia starting at full health killing 3 others at 10% health, killing a 50% hp glass cannon lee sin who missed his Q and had no R and also killing a 60-70% corki who didnt really have any damage after his initial bursts.

Worth mentioning that irelia had corrupting potion, triumph and then red buff all restoring a lot of health as time went on.

Plenty overkill against bunch of near dead glass cannons who didnt have ults and missed a lot of shots.

Like seriously what is impressive about lasthitting 3 kills and killing a pair of glass cannons who had no summs, no real ults or big cooldowns`?

A kled ulting in and killing 2-3 people alone when everyone is around full health is far more impressive, or a Darius dunking a enemy team to the floor.

IPromiseTomorrowDec 24, 20183 votes

There's a reason why I agree with him.

Because I've seen the high ELO highlights which I've seen over 100s of and Irelia is in 91% of them.

Each highlight shows an Irelia(lol) that usually misses their abilities, does a ton of damage, misuses abilities, but she comes out on top without being perfect. The Highlights are in Yt Without playing the Champ amazingly (you don't always need to play perfectly) even, Irelia can still get Quads, Pentas 1v4, 1v5 even when she's 4/8,5/6, 14/6

But other Players and their Carry Champions can play Ex: Olaf, Darius, perfectly but still not get a penta even when they're 5/8, 4/8. Why does Irelia... Get To do that? It's never been answered sadly.

ThefrostyvikingDec 24, 20181 votes

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That's a reason why I agree with him.

Because I've seen the high ELO highlights which I've seen over 100s of and Irelia is in 91% of them.

Each highlight shows an Irelia(lol) that usually misses their abilities, does a ton of damage, misuses abilities, but she comes out on top without being perfect. The Highlights are in Yt Without playing the Champ amazingly (you don't always need to play perfectly) even, Irelia can still get Quads, Pentas 1v4, 1v5 even when she's 4/8,5/6, 14/6

But other Players and their Carry Champions can play Ex: Olaf, Darius, perfectly but still not get a penta even when they're 5/8, 4/8. Why does Irelia... Get To do that? It's never been answered sadly.

I really cant bring myself to give a fk about a penta montage consisting of last hitting enemies when none of them have any big cooldowns, important ones or summoners left to use, or if they miss them.

As for olaf and darius.....first up, olaf is by no means a good champ, rather he is terrible.

Slow,obvious and he doesnt survive long enough to kill more than one unless fed to hell and back, this caused by a tremendously outdated and poorly aged kit.

He desperately needs a rework.

Darius? Darius is super powerful if he gets properly into a melee so there are plenty of YT montages of him getting penta´s.

And he got it with absolutely 0 outside help too, far more impressive than last hitting a bunch of 10%ers even if he was fed.

But generally darius wont get as many penta´s because he is a juggernaut who is slower and clunkier which means its easier to run from him compared to Irelia but its harder to kill him in a straight fight.

BisaknospDec 24, 20183 votes

eh can people stop complaining about irelia she isnt even op anymore holy fuck what about kassadin hello how is she worse than he is? XD even yasuo is better than her

Beacon AcademyDec 24, 20183 votes

Warning: Following is just my opinion

Ban rate is simply -> What shit is annoying to play against

Balance indicators are winrates vs playrates

High WR vs High PR -> Broken, because champion is essentially deciding the match by existing. [High Bans] High WR vs Low PR -> Relatively balanced, because mains are the only ones doing well. Low WR vs High PR -> Relatively unbalanced, annoying, Yet isn't an end all be all card in game. [High Bans] Low WR vs Low PR -> Champ is suffering and even mains can't save them.

Basically:

People are happier when champions aren't played much, but have a decent potential to win games... Because mastery matters.

People are unhappy when masses of low skill people can make use of high potential champs and its even more disappointing when they fail... usually that one giuy on your team.

Note: This is not taking into account extremes such as SUPER HIGH WR vs Low PR

Sir PrepuziusDec 24, 20183 votes

yep, i guess that's what happen when you gut a champion.

Arìes WíndDec 23, 20182 votes

As long as a shround that make you able to trade with people while they cant trade back exist i will perma ban this champion.

GabresolDec 24, 20183 votes

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As long as a shround that make you able to trade with people while they cant trade back exist i will perma ban this champion.

Do you pick Master Yi or Wuking into Akali or something? Because most champions have one way or another to hit even unseen targets.

Arìes WíndDec 24, 20181 votes

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Do you pick Master Yi or Wuking into Akali or something? Because most champions have one way or another to hit even unseen targets.

I play yasuo, jax,fiora. And in my roaster was akali and irelia before riot broke them and overloaded their kit i lost 2 mains. akali is so cancer to lane against i dont want to experience that ever again. i prefer playing against a broken champion than akali.

GabresolDec 24, 20181 votes

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I play yasuo, jax,fiora. And in my roaster was akali and irelia before riot broke them and overloaded their kit i lost 2 mains. akali is so cancer to lane against i dont want to experience that ever again. i prefer playing against a broken champion than akali.

I can see how Fiora and Jax might have problems killing Akali, but Yasuo? You can block her Q, E and (I believe) her passive with your w and your Q does not rely on seeing her.

And if you somehow have problems with ehr, there are easy champions like Nasus, Pantheon, Urgot and Mundo who completly take her out of the game, because she can either not kill them or they can easily kill her. And for midlane, there are always Sain and Galio too to win against her by default.

Arìes WíndDec 24, 20181 votes

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I can see how Fiora and Jax might have problems killing Akali, but Yasuo? You can block her Q, E and (I believe) her passive with your w and your Q does not rely on seeing her.

And if you somehow have problems with ehr, there are easy champions like Nasus, Pantheon, Urgot and Mundo who completly take her out of the game, because she can either not kill them or they can easily kill her. And for midlane, there are always Sain and Galio too to win against her by default.

you cant R when akali is on stealth , walling one Q or one E wont matter while her W is game breaker against a yasuo, her ult is a stun + a finisher, she was pre rework anti yasuo she is still now there is nothing new, its just before ther was counterplay i guess with pink ward, now even underturret its a free dive for akali. I may consider learning galio for her but right now i kind of just ban her because no other champion borther, sure a lot are broken but akali feels so much like a fk you champion with her sustain lvl 1 and her W. To fix her they need to light the Q or the W either way she will never stop be hated by the community and i know the feeling to be hater by everyone, im a yasuo main people hate on you the minute you pick it, expect you to 1vs5 etc. Sorry if i made some english mistakes im learning it.

Ralik098Dec 25, 20181 votes

Her shroud is ass after the last patch. It was better when you could pink ward the fucking thing its so bad now.

DearPearDec 24, 20182 votes

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First timing Irelia should not result in a pentakill

First timing many champions can result in a pentakill. That's not relevant.

Malix FarwinDec 24, 20183 votes

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First timing many champions can result in a pentakill. That's not relevant.

Irelia is a hard champion by design. You shouldnt get a penta on her first timing her, especially when you miss most of your abilities.

DeracadaVenomDec 24, 20181 votes

I have never got a penta, i have never got a quadra, i have only got a triple 8 times.

Say that again, but take out the dumb parts

DearPearDec 25, 20181 votes

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I have never got a penta, i have never got a quadra, i have only got a triple 8 times.

Say that again, but take out the dumb parts

Your personnal lack of pentakills is also irrelevant.

DeracadaVenomDec 24, 20182 votes

I fought Galio as Zoe last game, and I was poked out of lane 7 times in the first 10 minutes. Always below 30% health because of his tornado thing. I can't decide whether to ban Yasuo or Galio right now [sg-janna]

saltranDec 23, 20181 votes

Of course she's disgusting on the good hands but I trust on my low elo enemies to not be able to play her.

I have never permabanned her, maybe one or two bans but she's not that problematic on gold even though my premade keep banning her.

nelogisDec 24, 20181 votes

well of course she isnt banned much the compensation buffs aren't even here

Just watch how it skyrockets up again as soon Akali can fight the enemy

SyrileDec 24, 20181 votes

Akali is not broken. She is horribly boring to play against. I never ban her because she really does not matter at all to me. Most of my commonly played champions crush her. However, she is really boring to face and nothing should make you immune to tower shots. It is a really poorly designed mechanic. Yasuo, Ahri, Zed, Ekko, and LeBlanc are all champions that fall into the same category of champions that people hate to face. The trend with this: Champions that have multiple dashes, resets, or some ability that makes them extremely safe while having too much damage to survive for anyone but a pure tank. The amount of counter-play is abysmal and it is simply not fun. Again almost all of those champions lose to my favorite champions so I really do not care that much about them. I most commonly ban champions based on how boring the matchup is rather than the champion being hard to face.

Ralik098Dec 25, 20181 votes

Too bad she is completely unplayable now after the shroud changes. Seriously, just revert her holy shit.