What the good bronze players do wrong

RookPusher··11 votes·2,160 views

I've been in bronze for awhile, and I've just recently grown to hate the division more than I love support, so I'm operating in other lanes with much better results (even when I lose, I feel like I had the chance to carry).

In bronze there are bad players who are bad because they don't do any prep. Bad players because they gut-checked their strategy and think they're the best And bad players because they're trolls, feeders, Wifi players, or they aren't sober.

There's nothing you can really do there. Just swear out loud at your computer, mute everyone, and try to pull off trick plays and hope the enemy get's complacent. But in my experience of playing, here's the 5 things I'd love to explain to Bronzies with talent as the reason they're still bronze.

  1. Chill Out.

One of the major problems is that people keep saying "If you're good, you'll climb." That's true, and while it's rare, sometimes your teammates are also good. If they start running up the score - don't give the enemy a chance to reciprocate. Hug towers, call MIAs, and push objectives when they back. In other words, let yourself be carried. There's a ton of players who can't do this and it kills me because if you just told yourself its ok to not be a hero, you wouldn't be in this terrible bracket.

  1. When to recall

The number of times I v-ping when you Ace and recall is absurd. But I see this more than anything and it's a lack of 3-steps-ahead thinking. You get the ace, you're psyched, and you have 2800+ gold. Almost every bronze player cannot resist the catnip of the post-Ace items. This stems from a larger problem where objectives are too low on the priority scale, and kills are way too high (imo they should be 4th or 5th), but in the immediate term, i'll say the post-ace recall is one of the ugliest things I see too often.

  1. Poke is not an invitation to go HAM

I used to play support constantly. 70% of the time that was mages with the Frostqueen line and therefore I poked a lot. Some ADCs see one Bard poke on the ADC as an invitation to ignore the farm, run through it, and get killed. The Support is supposed to poke, folks. And if he's going in on a situation, you don't follow him blindly. If he died, he dies. That doesn't mean you should, too. 17-20 CS = 1 kill. Just farm.

  1. Defending the group push without wards.

You're the blue team, and red is barreling down the middle. You fall back and defend the tower, but no one is warding the grass just inside the jungle/fog of war? WHY? How many times have you stood there and fought invisible people from the grass? Someone face checks, gets hooked and murdered, then they kill everyone else and take the tower. It's so simple - ward the side grass as they approach. There's never been a time where warding had more sight-to-power.

  1. Junglers and overextension.

I have to tell way too many junglers that if the enemy laner is overextended, they need to punish them for it. The key word there is "for." In other words, you need to give the enemy a reason NOT to do something. If they extend without retaliation, they'll always extend. In a perfect world you'll punish them 70% of the time they do it. If that means camping, do it. but the goal isn't kills, the goal is to get them to think "I probably shouldn't extend because that FUCKING jungle is camping out there, I can feel it." Once you've done that, you've created a more global pressure, and you give your laner more farm.

29 Comments

Leylania7 votes

Even though your list is correct I can make it way shorter as to why someone can not climb out of bronze: they have a fucking huge ego. They don't want to improve, they want to blame someone else just like you are doing right now. And yes, most of the things you said are correct but you are in no way any better than them. You were 5 seasons in Bronze 4/5 and still talk down on other bronze players how bad they are. You probably make most of these things wrong yourself every game even though you know them in theory.

But it's a good help for other people who want to get better I guess.

RookPusher3 votes

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Even though your list is correct I can make it way shorter as to why someone can not climb out of bronze: they have a fucking huge ego. They don't want to improve, they want to blame someone else just like you are doing right now. And yes, most of the things you said are correct but you are in no way any better than them. You were 5 seasons in Bronze 4/5 and still talk down on other bronze players how bad they are. You probably make most of these things wrong yourself every game even though you know them in theory.

But it's a good help for other people who want to get better I guess.

Wow, where to begin.

So, first of all, I'm not speaking down to anyone. This was something I was seeing in my games. And I sort of feel like you're using your rank to speak down to me. I'm not sure why since this was an attempt to help. It feels wildly aggressive for no real reason.

As someone who plays in Bronze a lot - and almost exclusively (not including this season) as support, I feel like I had a perspective to offer. And that is this: people assume games are won/lost on big plays, not collections of decisions.

If you don't like my opinion, you're welcome to downvote me. I'd appreciate the ad hominem attacks be left at the door though.

Leylania2 votes

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So, first of all, I'm not speaking down to anyone.

You sure?

But in my experience of playing, here's the 5 things I'd love to explain to Bronzies with talent as the reason they're still bronze.

There's a ton of players who can't do this and it kills me because if you just told yourself its ok to not be a hero, you wouldn't be in this terrible bracket.

That's true, and while it's rare, sometimes your teammates are also good.

I have to tell way too many junglers [...]

Just a few examples I instantly spotted, full of arrogance about how bad the "bronzies" are or how good you are.

And I sort of feel like you're using your rank to speak down to me

Wait so because I'm a higher rank than you I can't call you out on the fact that you are obviously not as good as you think you are? Okay. Never did mention me or my rank anywhere.

If you don't like my opinion, you're welcome to downvote me. I'd appreciate the ad hominem attacks be left at the door though.

Unless someone straight up lies about something or insults there is no reason to downvote. And it is not a personal attack to say that you are not good at the game when you constantly act as if you were. I can see your matchhistory and I base my opinion only on that.

RookPusher2 votes

Split-quote posts end up getting way off topic, so I'll just say this. I announced myself as Bronze, and so therefore attacks on bronze are attacks on myself IF I had attacked anyone. But the quotes you're looking at are references to the mentality in bronze. People assume they have to carry. People assume dead weight.

It's not ego that stops us from climbing, if it were there would be no ego in another other division. If you want to reach people, you have to speak to their reality. And their reality is "This is bronze, and people are clowns, so I need to carry." That's just how we all think. But if you want to come in here and make an attempt at help into a thread about you, I suppose that's your right. But your attitude, your judgement, and your data don't help people climb.

Leylania2 votes

But the quotes you're looking at are references to the mentality in bronze.

Yes, the mentality from which you are excluding yourself for some reason as if you weren't part of it.

It's not ego that stops us from climbing

It is. If you are bronze and have a too big ego to see your bronze mistakes you will never reach silver. If you are silver and don't want to work out the mistakes that stop you from climbing to gold you will stay silver. If you are gold and don't work out the problems that keep you in gold you will never reach plat and so on. You don't suddenly go from Bronze to Challenger in working out your basic problems. I climbed from silver to gold in one year and from gold to plat in the next. And this year I wil hopefully go from plat to diamond. I didn't just magically jump from silver to dia because I suddenly overcame my ego and problems with looking up the basics of the game. The thing is that improving is a multi-step process that takes work and time. There is an ego problem in every elo, that is why players are hardstuck in every elo.

But alright then tell me why you can't climb. Not any of the other "bronzies" but YOU. Why are you in low bronze for 5 seasons in a row if you know that much of the game and don't have an ego problem that stops you from improving? What is it then?

But your attitude, your judgement, and your data don't help people climb.

Look at your matchhistory and tell me in all honesty that you are the right person to tell anyone how to climb. I laugh if you say yes.

Kattzy4 votes

I thought OP's post was useful, fwiw.

RookPusher2 votes

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I thought OP's post was useful, fwiw.

Thanks, friend. I appreciate it.

RookPusher1 votes

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Yes, the mentality from which you are excluding yourself for some reason as if you weren't part of it.

It is. If you are bronze and have a too big ego to see your bronze mistakes you will never reach silver. If you are silver and don't want to work out the mistakes that stop you from climbing to gold you will stay silver. If you are gold and don't work out the problems that keep you in gold you will never reach plat and so on. You don't suddenly go from Bronze to Challenger in working out your basic problems. I climbed from silver to gold in one year and from gold to plat in the next. And this year I wil hopefully go from plat to diamond. I didn't just magically jump from silver to dia because I suddenly overcame my ego and problems with looking up the basics of the game. The thing is that improving is a multi-step process that takes work and time. There is an ego problem in every elo, that is why players are hardstuck in every elo.

But alright then tell me why you can't climb. Not any of the other "bronzies" but YOU. Why are you in low bronze for 5 seasons in a row if you know that much of the game and don't have an ego problem that stops you from improving? What is it then?

Look at your matchhistory and tell me in all honesty that you are the right person to tell anyone how to climb. I laugh if you say yes.

Why are you so salty?

Leylania2 votes

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Why are you so salty?

I'm just calling you out nothing more . And answer my question if you can btw because this is what would actually help people.

But alright then tell me why you can't climb. Not any of the other "bronzies" but YOU. Why are you in low bronze for 5 seasons in a row if you know that much of the game and don't have an ego problem that stops you from improving? What is it then?

Answer it. I bet you can't.

Lord of Math2 votes

{quoted}

Wow, where to begin.

So, first of all, I'm not speaking down to anyone. This was something I was seeing in my games. And I sort of feel like you're using your rank to speak down to me. I'm not sure why since this was an attempt to help. It feels wildly aggressive for no real reason.

As someone who plays in Bronze a lot - and almost exclusively (not including this season) as support, I feel like I had a perspective to offer. And that is this: people assume games are won/lost on big plays, not collections of decisions.

If you don't like my opinion, you're welcome to downvote me. I'd appreciate the ad hominem attacks be left at the door though.

Add me?

RookPusher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord of Math,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FcEhfyaY,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-07T16:13:31.563+0000)

Add me?

Will do. Looking forward to playing together.

KennysDreamGirl2 votes

where is he blaming people

Der Lindwurm4 votes

I wish bronze/silver players needed to pass some sort of exam and demonstrate that they understand all this before playing ranked.

Until then, this is just a sermon to the choir.

RookPusher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FcEhfyaY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-05T20:32:58.680+0000)

I wish bronze/silver players needed to pass some sort of exam and demonstrate that the understand all this before playing ranked.

Until then, this is just a sermon to the choir.

That's fair.

Mountain Warden5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FcEhfyaY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-05T20:32:58.680+0000)

I wish bronze/silver players needed to pass some sort of exam and demonstrate that they understand all this before playing ranked.

Until then, this is just a sermon to the choir.

Although this would significantly improve matchup quality at lower rank, it would also make climbing more challenging because the skill floor would be raised. Somebody has to be at the bottom and there is nothing wrong with that.

RookPusher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mountain Warden,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FcEhfyaY,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-02-05T21:17:21.882+0000)

Although this would significantly improve matchup quality at lower rank, it would also make climbing more challenging because the skill floor would be raised. Somebody has to be at the bottom and there is nothing wrong with that.

Yeah but it would be a different sort of bottom. There's a difference between those that want to improve and those that don't. All I think we're looking for is someone who is honestly out there trying to do the right thing.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FcEhfyaY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-05T20:32:58.680+0000)

I wish bronze/silver players needed to pass some sort of exam and demonstrate that they understand all this before playing ranked.

Until then, this is just a sermon to the choir.

you mean something that they would just look up meaning that nothing would change?

Tactician Of War2 votes

Add me man, we should duo sometime I really like the way you look at things.

RookPusher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tactician Of War,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FcEhfyaY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-02-06T11:37:39.549+0000)

Add me man, we should duo sometime I really like the way you look at things.

Yeah, I will. Thanks, man.

FrozenCleavage1 votes

Add me we can duo as well!

RedPannda2 votes

OP is clearly trying to help, even if you disagree with them let's try to keep things civil please and thank you.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

KennysDreamGirl1 votes

"good" and "bronze" in the same sentence lul

ALFFY1 votes

Guys look how carry in bronze and silver : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg9_Obwaxlw&feature=youtu.be

Thx for like and subs.

alfzyeah

Alex h87211 votes

In one game we were well behind, and the other team had just gotten baron, so I told my team "defend inhib turrets give up inners" Because its a lot easier to defend the base where we have vision and its tougher for the enemy team to set up vision.

Well my team immediately goes and dies at inner turrets.

I said "dammit i said defend inhib turrets" and our adc says "that doesn't even mean anything"

I was speechless

SymbolicFear1 votes

Okay, so for my very first season climbing, past 4 seasons I have only done placements. I climbed out of bronze very quickly. Started Bronze IV and am now in Silver5 as of last night. I can tell you how to climb right here and now. The secret, don't play meta slave. Pick a champion in EVERY role, that can "Carry While Behind" so that means, Malphite, Annie, Blitzcrank, etc. Set up your team. Thats the easiest and fastest way to climb. I did play pantheon top for about 20 of my games with a very high winrate and many winstreaks. But once you hit silver5 mmr, its a huge bump in the road. Every player there has an ego problem, so shut yourself up, play the fool and stroke their ego by playing annie mid and hand feeding your team kills, even if you die, it doesn't matter as long as you get off a good engage to the back line. Most of my annie games i went even or negative with vastly more assists than most just because I set up my team.

Hauling Ashe1 votes

You forgot, "Never play a champ in ranked that you've never tried before." This happens way too often in bronze just because that champ is "meta" or "counters" Malzahar.

RookPusher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hauling Ashe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FcEhfyaY,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-02-07T16:15:49.280+0000)

You forgot, "Never play a champ in ranked that you've never tried before." This happens way too often in bronze just because that champ is "meta" or "counters" Malzahar.

Amen. I've asked in other threads for something like a minimum of Mastery lvl 2 for ranked but that seems to be a pipe dream.

Paladin 0f Life1 votes

Its like a child telling an artist that they need to use crayons instead of paint. It boils down to willingness to change. If you can not objectively look at yourself then you will stay in the same elo. It goes hand in hand with work ethic, maturity and bias. If you can not take criticism and learn then you will always hold yourself back.

Plain and simple if you know macro you are gold or silver. Nexus, inhinb, Tower, baron, drag, buff, creeps, kills. in that order in low elo almost always

RookPusher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Paladin 0f Life,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FcEhfyaY,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-02-07T16:24:20.450+0000)

Its like a child telling an artist that they need to use crayons instead of paint. It boils down to willingness to change. If you can not objectively look at yourself then you will stay in the same elo. It goes hand in hand with work ethic, maturity and bias. If you can not take criticism and learn then you will always hold yourself back.

Plain and simple if you know macro you are gold or silver. Nexus, inhinb, Tower, baron, drag, buff, creeps, kills. in that order in low elo almost always

Simply knowing Macro isn't good enough to climb in under 500 games.

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