"Hey Riot, some AP Champs are gonna be broken with the new items"

FalconPawwwwnch·Jul 2, 2015·98 votes·6,521 views

Riot: "thanks for letting us know community! We already have AP Xin Zhao nerfs on the way!"

Welp

80 Comments

KONO RUBICK DAJul 2, 201535 votes

no, it's more like "hey riot, some champions will abuse devourer like yi and warwick!"

"thank you for letting us know community! xin's heal is broken with devourer and will be nerfed

Wind WhistlerJul 2, 20156 votes

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no, it's more like "hey riot, some champions will abuse devourer like yi and warwick!"

"thank you for letting us know community! xin's heal is broken with devourer and will be nerfed

Xin is broken in general. Every game he's used by a competent player, he gets fed and there's hardly anything anyone can do about it.

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20158 votes

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Xin is broken in general. Every game he's used by a competent player, he gets fed and there's hardly anything anyone can do about it.

I think Xin is better played by bronze players against other bronze players than diamonds vs other diamonds

A Miss FortuneJul 2, 20155 votes

Not necessarily, he's a pretty solid jungler. The only thing is that he can't be a super tank like Maokai for example, and has no hard CC.

Still Xin is very good and I'm really happy I don't see him often. His kit synergizes too well with itself.

Starblaster11Jul 2, 201517 votes

He has the knockup on his q and knockback for any non-marked enemies on his ult, so he does have hard cc.

Silents429Jul 3, 20151 votes

Right, but it loses favor because in order for the knockup to occur he needs to proc it 3 times.

Chaotic ReksJul 3, 20156 votes

not too hard with the big attack speed bonus he gets from w

Silents429Jul 3, 20154 votes

But it still has a delay and requires him to stay next to the person.

What Is SmiteJul 3, 20151 votes

With the slow from his E you can hit that 3rd proc (if they don't flash that is)

Silents429Jul 3, 20152 votes

Even still, you are unlikely to do any serious interruption with it, whoever you are hitting probably got there combo's off.

What Is SmiteJul 4, 20151 votes

true, in terms of combo's i think Xin is on the slower side of going through his entire combo with only fiddles being maybe a bit slower just because you have to channel his ult same applies for pantheon

Give Me TrophiesJul 3, 20151 votes

He has a small knockup and no other REAL hard cc, only a disengage, and this disengage can't be used on the target he is actually fighting.

So, xin zhao is a binary champion, just like yi, and just like yi he gets destroyed by players that play around his choices accordingly, he has ZERO outplay potential against anyone and if you respect his damage he can't do anything.

He only does things when people underestimate him.

Hello I am BirdJul 3, 20153 votes

But Yi isn't binary? Have you tried landing his q properly?

YumaS2AstralJul 2, 20155 votes

Any CC that can interrupt channeled abilities is a hard CC.

HidingOverHereJul 3, 201510 votes

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Any CC that can interrupt channeled abilities is a hard CC.

yeah im tired of being hard cc'd to death by kassadin

PoisonedPeaceJul 3, 20152 votes

If we're going to be pedantic.... he did say "Any CC" which would mean the ability in question would have to be CC to begin with, which Kass Q is not.

Trias000Jul 3, 20155 votes

Technically it is a silence with like 0.1s duration. But whatever.

Any CC that can interrupt channeled abilities, except for silence, is hard cc. There. You happy HidingOverHere?

Need Gold 4 TentJul 3, 20152 votes

How about... Any CC that prohibits voluntary movement for its duration?

windwolf777Jul 3, 20151 votes

I would say attacking and casting. Since you can still voluntarily move while Lulu W for example

FirstSergeantBimJul 3, 20154 votes

No hard CC? Hmm, maybe we have different ideas of what hard CC is.

What is a knock-up or a knock-back then? Soft? No. Gentle? Naw. Tame? Eh, not quite. No, I think being knocked around sounds rough and violent. A strong action. Something that would disorient an individual. Almost like... well, dare I say hard? Perhaps.

XxxLumberJackxxXJul 3, 20151 votes

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Not necessarily, he's a pretty solid jungler. The only thing is that he can't be a super tank like Maokai for example, and has no hard CC.

Still Xin is very good and I'm really happy I don't see him often. His kit synergizes too well with itself.

he has a single target knockup and an aoe knockup. and a slow.

EvilRabbittJul 2, 20152 votes

Xin lcs?

Mandang0Jul 3, 20151 votes

He's already seen play in NA LCS this split. TIP ran him I think.

EvilRabbittJul 3, 20151 votes

Say wha? THEY DID?!?!? Not gonna lie, I'm amazed. TIP line up against who? I wanna watch now >.>

gaby1bestJul 2, 20154 votes

How could WW abuse it if his ult won't trigger the phantom attack?

Shrek LuigiJul 2, 20153 votes

Riot: Thank you for your feedback, here's an Ezreal buff for your trouble.

Community: Ezreal

MaliginantJul 3, 20155 votes

"thank you for letting us know community! shyvana is a broken jungler with devourer and her ability to play top lane will be nerfed"

FTFY

PhifeJul 3, 20155 votes

Why do you people care, its not like you play ap xin....

PoisonedPeaceJul 3, 20153 votes

Nobody cares that Xin is getting nerfed. People care that a few champs are going to be insanely OP with new items, and those champs haven't been touched.

We all know what is going to happen anyway.

Rito will make these jungle changes
A few champs will be pick or ban OP
Rito will slightly nerf both jungle items and op champs
Next season Rito will completely change the jungle and jungle items, and leave op champs unchanged
Previously OP champs will be trash tier once again

TotalJerkJul 3, 20152 votes

You people constantly jump down their throat for making kneejerk balance choices. So they said they are going to let the champions sit for a patch to observe the impact, then nerf them.

Champion SkinJul 3, 20152 votes

But why is AP Xin Zhao the odd one out? The only one being hit by preemptive nerfs

PoisonedPeaceJul 6, 20151 votes

Literally nothing I said had anything to do with Riot's kneejerk reactions or even accusing Riot of anything in anyway.

LowvyrJul 2, 20154 votes

Aatrox You think Xin's heal is broken?

KingsgraveJul 3, 20152 votes

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You think Xin's heal is broken?

Aatrox's heal is less than an AP Xin at pretty much every stage

Aatrox's is only seen sometimes as worse because he also has a revive

azrolatorJul 3, 20154 votes

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Aatrox's heal is less than an AP Xin at pretty much every stage

Aatrox's is only seen sometimes as worse because he also has a revive

Aatrox heals scale off his AD. AD is his damage. Xin heals scale off his AP. AD is his damage. Aatrox gapclose is an area target. Xin gapclose is a enemy champion target. Xin has no escape. These are two different champs. I get it, they are similar in many ways. But, please don't expect me to believe that all these aatrox champs would be thrilled to find out that they have to start stacking AP to heal. If they wanted to play a melee champ with no poke and no escape who gives up damage for heal factor, they would already be playing xin and not aatrox.

LowvyrJul 3, 20151 votes

You haven't seen full AD Aatrox's heal with Sated Devourer.

KingsgraveJul 3, 20151 votes

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You haven't seen full AD Aatrox's heal with Sated Devourer.

I have. Still not that impressive compared to AP Xin.

Full AD Xin barely scales well and you will just get bursted anyway.

LowvyrJul 3, 20152 votes

So a full AD Aatrox ( item 3074 item 3153 item 3072 (Sated) item 3718 item 3172 item 3508 + item 2140 ) heals less than an AP Xin?

KingsgraveJul 3, 20155 votes

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So a full AD Aatrox ( (Sated) + ) heals less than an AP Xin?

You would be so fucking squishy it wouldn't even matter

LowvyrJul 3, 20152 votes

Well you'll about a 2.2 attack speed, 62% lifesteal, and then Blood Thirst procs that are x6 when below 50%. Even if they tried to burst you, you would heal through their burst.

KingsgraveJul 3, 20152 votes

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Well you'll about a 2.2 attack speed, 62% lifesteal, and then Blood Thirst procs that are x6 when below 50%. Even if they tried to burst you, you would heal through their burst.

Lmao that costs so much gold and you are melee with a slow as fuck interruptible gapcloser

It doesnt matter how much lifesteal you have

R110Jul 3, 20152 votes

Even if they tried to burst you, you would heal through their burst.

Please, with that build, any mage/assasin will 100 to 0 you in one combo. You can't lifesteal when you are oneshotted.

Burst is instant, lifesteal is similar to sustained damage.

and then Blood Thirst procs that are x6 when below 50%

Sated Devourer doesn't work like that with blood thirst. Sated devourer will make you proc blood thirst every second autoattack instead of every third autoattack. Example: Your bloodthirst proc is ready and the phantom hit is ready. You autoattack -> blood thirst proc is consumed -> phantom hit hits and that brings you one attack closer to the blood thirst proc.

BiggestNoob3verJul 3, 20151 votes

Not likely. But AP Xin has resistances for pressing R and AP itemization can be tankier. Like Rylais, Liandries, ROA, Zhonyas, Abyssal and Athenes are items that would help Xin's bulk while also increasing his healing. That Aatrox build would be a literal glass cannon of healing.

Mecha MaIphiteJul 3, 20151 votes

cant 1v1 turrets

oh wait, turrets are weak af right now nvm lol

RebonackJul 3, 20154 votes

Oh for goodness sake...

Hard CC: Lose all control of your champion. Stun, Fear, Knockup, Suppression Disable: Lose some control of your champion. Root, silence, blind Soft CC: Aspect of your champion gets nerfed. Slow (both MS and AS)

This stuff isn't hard, folks.

JustMyBassCannonJul 3, 20151 votes

Would damage reductions (Urgot, Sona, Exhaust) count as soft CC? And what about Armor/MR shred?

Meep ManJul 3, 20153 votes

Who is going to be broken? I don't see of anyone. Why are you worrying about the AP Items changes when you should be worrying about the Zeke's Herald changes?