his W has 900 range, if you hit with your W, you have 1 second to catch the target, during one second with 
you will travel 360 units, that's just enough to cast E+Q but with the E casting time your enemies will asap stap back and remove the laserbird from Q, and you won't be able to do anything against someone with 800 range like 
.
how will riot fixe this?
Denims Wrath66622 voteswhat riot will do, is buff dorans blade. don't worry, it will help.
Bouffon dAnglais1 votes5 AD neverforget
Earl Eulrich17 votesmost likly he´ll gain 3AD at lvl 1...
SpecterVonBaren11 votesI'd actually love that buff, means last hitting with him would feel less like pulling my nails out.
Mannysmoker7 votes
might have trouble vs long range mages like those you mentioned..but he excels at demolishing mid, low range mages & melee champs.
Best princess EU10 votes
right, remind me which mid mages are low range?
TyroneWatermelon2 votesFiddle sticks,Lissandra,Cassiopeia,Rumble,Katarina,Vladimir,Gragas,Mordekaiser,Twisted fate,Karthus and Morgana.
xvastolorde3 votesFiddle sticks,Lissandra,Cassiopeia,Rumble,Katarina,Vladimir,Gragas,Mordekaiser,Twisted fate,Karthus and Morgana.
-karthus's Q has 875 range -fiddle is never played mid -lissandra is never played mid, last time she was fotm she was played top, and iceshard has 725 range -cassiopeia is never played atm, but her Q has 850 range, her E has 700 range all of this outrange swain hard while having bonus -ms+slow+ her ulti in case of she needs it. -rumble mid? -katarina indeed is countered by swain -vladimir is never played mid and swain is his biggest counter -gragas mid? gragas a mage? -mordekaiser outsustain hard swain, his damage gives him a shield to counter swain's poke and his W gives 100 hp every time -twisted fate push the lane with Q and press R to give a double kill to the botlane -morgana has 900 range on her W, and 1000 range on her Q
TyroneWatermelon1 votesNo buddy,you're wrong,I was talking about MAGES,not those who played mid,and not 1 ability,but how the ENTIRE lot functions together,karthus must be at 300 range to deal sustained damage which is late game most of his damage. Fiddle sticks must be also atleast 400 range close to use both his R and W effectively,as he designed to. Without Lissandra being melee range,her W is completely useless,and I believe she isn't going to throw Q from afar entire teamfight. Rumble still short range game,that's the REASON he is played top. Vladimir needs to be aroind 400 range to use his W,E and possibly Q. Vlad counters swain because he is the only champ matches his sustain and point and click abilities. Gragas is a Mage,but played as a tank. Mordekaiser doesn't put sustain him,actually have health costs,doesn't heal that much unless He maxed W,and oh boy let me tell you honestly,the shield is useless before level 14 when you get resistances and health. You are ignoring the fact twisted Fate has relatively low range,his aa actually(that's short compared to a lot of mages) and his passive is useless and deals no damage,R deals no damage e deals low damage by stacking auto attacks. And then morgana's most powerful ability,her Ultimate becomes useless for no being in the middle of the teamfight.
Zoomer Darius7 votesVlad counters swain because he is the only champ matches his sustain and point and click abilities.
Here's where I figured out you were joking.
Ionian2 votes
must be within 550 range to land a full combo
Moon Mom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FZgKsV89,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-12-21T11:29:48.563+0000)
right, remind me which mid mages are low range?
Diana, akali, katarina.
Reichtor6 votesAnyone that thinks Swain is freelo needs to go start a custom game with him and last hit for 20 minutes with no opponent to deal with. Go ahead, I'll see you in 8 CS.
doublelift fg4 votesYou forgot to say that his W is impossible to land alone
Penns1 votesWhy would a nerf to it matter then?
xvastolorde10 votesWhy would a nerf to it matter then?
because in 80% of the time you won't snare someone, the radius is 150 and people travel in 0.5 seconds 200 units. However before, in those 20% of the time where you snared someone you could do something, now it's useless, in 100% of the time you won't be able to do anything except pressing E
Penns2 votesOr you could use his W as follow up after cc from your team, or use it to zone... or use it to stop engages, especially from melee champs, how its supposed to be used.
Ahristocats2 votesOr you could use his W as follow up after cc from your team, or use it to zone... or use it to stop engages, especially from melee champs, how its supposed to be used.
you won't have a team mate in lane to help you against brand who is pushing you out of the lane
Penns1 votesSo? Swain is a late game champ, why should he easily win lane against lane bullies with strong poke?
DarkSunSovereign8 votesHe relies on his midgame powerspike, he can't do shit late.
Penns1 votesLet me put it that way then: If your enemies have a good Swain, you wont even survive mid game and lose.
SouL1ess1 votesYes
Just like a Talon who doesn't win lane can instantly delete ADCs midgame. The champion's success in laning phase has no correlation to its success at mid-game or late-game.
/sarcasm
Voluug134 votesSwain isnt a lategame champions, he is a non-tank champion that depends on sustaining through sustain. The moment the enemy team gets enough damage to kill him, or simply builds 
, Swain is dead. At most he will live a Zhonia's, but that is it. He is also a terrible pusher with no mobility and low dueling, he depends on midgame tfs before people get to buy MR after their first items.
Reichtor4 votesWhoever says snare is impossible to land just doesn't have the experience. And to the OP, if you're throwing out max range snares offensively you're likely playing him wrong. You're not supposed to "catch" enemies, you're supposed to harass and use it to prevent them from escaping engagements.
Someone said that Swain isn't supposed to catch long range mages, and that he dicks on low range melee champs. The problem with Swains nerf isn't that he can't catch people, it's that he can no longer do his job against any melee champ with a gap closer. You're supposed to be able to use it defensively to escape, but since the drop by the time you get through cast animation and walk out of range from them being on top of you, you cost them an autoattack at best.
Penns3 votesMaybe Swain isnt made for instantly catching and killing someone just because he hit a max range W, so why fix it lol?
"Illaoi is unplayable, she has 0 cc apart from her E that even has a travel speed, so she wont ever reach her target, fix pls?
ACENOX5 votesMaybe Swain isnt made for instantly catching and killing someone just because he hit a max range W, so why fix it lol?
"Illaoi is unplayable, she has 0 cc apart from her E that even has a travel speed, so she wont ever reach her target, fix pls?
swain isn't tanky he has 0 mr/lvl, 12 base armor, 380 base hp, he is immobile with low range, his cc isn't instant and can't be landed, his tankiness requiers him to be around 5 people and requiers his enemies to not build 
.
illaoi builds triforce, 
and can catch anybody, and she has a dash+massive tankiness to survive until reaching the target.
Illaoi also doesn't need to reach her target in lane, while swain needs it because he can't do shit but get poked from 800 range
Penns2 votesThis is so wrong, Im not even sure if Swain main or trolling lel
Ahristocats6 votesThis is so wrong, Im not even sure if Swain main or trolling lel
actually he is right, http://lol.gamepedia.com/Swain
0 mr /lvl 12 base armor 380 base hp, how does it feel to know nothing about the game?
Canidae2 votesI'm guessing it'd feel like you? How about U reference the RELIABLE wiki or even the LEAGUE OF LEGENDS CHAMPION INFO instead of some OUTDATED SITE that hasn't been update since Season 3...
http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/swain/
0 mr/level whoopdie do, not like that applies to EVERY AP caster or anything he actually has 438 hp at level ZERO and starts off with a normal 516 his base armor is 22.7
RyzeRework1 votesSo exe calling is ganna stop his insane late game damanage because he is late game? Grievous wounds doesn't do much to self healing champions because they are usually lategame monsters that do a fuck ton Of damanage while building tank items?. Swain usually builds roa sv hourglass rylais then the rest is up to you
4th3t0s3 votesOP, if you're not 2 steps ahead of your opponent, let alone 5, you probably shouldn't be playing Swain. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
AyRe CoNteMpT2 votesits weird because he has alot more winrate than lee sin so i guess lee sin is super mega galaxy strawberry cheese unplayable?
Got New Glasses8 votes[{quoted}](name=AyRe CoNteMpT,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FZgKsV89,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-12-21T11:29:22.894+0000)
its weird because he has alot more winrate than lee sin so i guess lee sin is super mega galaxy strawberry cheese unplayable?
lee sin has 32% pick rate, swain has 2% pick rate
https://euw.op.gg/statistics/champion/
both of them have 48% win rate in plat+, and lee is harder to play than swain he had 46% win rate since 2 years
AyRe CoNteMpT7 votesi say swain is 5 times harder to play than lee sin because swain has no options to make up for any positional or decisionmaking mistakes he makes while lee sin does have plenty options.
Ionian7 votesThat is literally the funniest thing I've read all year.
Photos of Ghosts3 votesMobile champs are easier. Get over it.
Ionian7 votesopinion = fact confirmed
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesfact is, the less options a champion has, the harder he is to play. try arguing against that.
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Thats sily mate
So Le bl is easy to because she is adaptable
thing is adaptability is a part of power budget
leblanc is a special case since she not only pays alot of her power budget for her adaptiveness but also because she directly trades mobility for damage or vice versa. thats a very good design, generally speaking. still she IS easier.
also, i know that adaptability is part of the power budget so im not saying they are STRONGER!, im saying they are easier. in fact, champions with less mobility (garen, shyvana, volibear, darius) are flat out STRONGER than lee sin, fizz, kassadin or yasuo. they are flat out stronger champions but they are less forgiving and thus harder. tho if perfect players would play immobile champions against mobile champions, the immobile champions would always always win and thats very balanced.
also, last but not least, im not saying the mobile champions SHOULDNT be easier. its all good the way it is, im just explaining HOW it is.
Poske2 votes[deleted]
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesi actually explained my opinion and gave a good insight on my concept of a champions options. also, this is not about how easy/hard champions are to pick up but how easy/hard they are use to their full potential.
you simply talk talk talk without really saying anything. oh so you have to know combos with leblanc, is that why she is hard? well, lets not continue this. its boring to talk to someone who cant even form a simple argument.
Poske2 votes[{quoted}](name=AyRe CoNteMpT,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FZgKsV89,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-22T16:13:14.703+0000)
i actually explained my opinion and gave a good insight on my concept of a champions options. also, this is not about how easy/hard champions are to pick up but how easy/hard they are use to their full potential.
you simply talk talk talk without really saying anything. oh so you have to know combos with leblanc, is that why she is hard? well, lets not continue this. its boring to talk to someone who cant even form a simple argument.
define this: "this is not about how easy/hard champions are to pick up but how easy/hard they are use to their full potential."
Because both using swain to full potentional is easy and picking him up is easy. So this doesnt make freaking sense Hardest thing to do with swain is CS-ing that says alot
All the champions I listed are almost impossible to use at full potentional and are hard to pickup
I simply dont agree that swain is hard to play. It makes me giggle
You could say that he feels hopeless to play because he has no interesting mechanics and he doesnt have lots of options to deal with stuff Imagine an overloaded champion not accomplishing anything and champion with just a few stuff being a monster. it all balances itself out
But honestly I dont feel that way when I play swain. I just feel like a walking zone ball of stats
Trust me Its way easier to feel hopeless as Le bl for example. I have seen Le bl being useless while she had 10,0 simply because the player didnt master her . At one point enemy midlaner became more relevant then she was
TyroneWatermelon1 votes5 times champions that takes no skill go play is still a champion that takes no skill to play.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 voteswell you gotta at least have some sort of access to your physical motions you know
ModKnightsKemplar2 votesHe just has no defensive tools now. I am parroting another post about this, but I want to contribute what I can to the consistent message. Swain just isn't remotely safe until he has ulti. Unless they want to give him ulti at level 1, like other transform champs, I don't see how he'll be able to be viable.
Stevev452 votesThey don't actually care how good Swain is. They just want all mages to have less CC.
Keevalroy2 voteshow will riot fixe this?
Don't worry, they got ya covered - they're buffing Zed and introducing AD DFG. That should fix his issues...oh wait.
Trídent2 votesNot to worry! Riot's on the job, buffing some AD champs and items. It's bound to help.
VictoryDance961 votesI have seen a few good ones...
Earthlord Jazz2 votesI have seen a few good ones...
I haven't seen any since the nerf....hardly saw any before that as well
