Stop fucking around like you did with kindred. This champion is ridiculously broken.
Stop furiously tweaking the numbers and gut her already.
EDIT: Okay so apparently boards doesn't think that the highest winrate jungler in diamond+ and the most banned champion at worlds is even good right now. The stupidity is strong with the boards sheeple.
N Pelosi2 votesWhat if we add fleas and she has to stop and scratch every 5 seconds while in cat form
Talisid2 votesAll they really need to do is remove her ability to pounce over walls. IMO
Vayne doesn't get to hop over walls every 5 seconds. Why should Nidalee?
She'd still be really strong too. It just means you'd be able to actually punish her mistakes and spot her invades with wards in the usual places.
Takazaki1 votesbecause nid is an assassin and assassins need mobility
jaymc11302 votesThere really aren't any real nerfs she can receive that would matter. Shes already basically a non viable champion in solo q because she completely lacks solo q tools and is a farm reliant jungler, both of which have low odds for success in solo q, a snowball game mode dominated by early pressure and impact junglers. The reality is shes become lee sin number 2. She's really only ever effective in pro play or when in the hands of a challenger player playing on a smurf account (and sure, THAT is hella annoying, but its not an issue with nidalee, its an issue with the structure of the ranked ladder in and of itself). Shes basically useless for 999,999 of 1 million players in 999,999 of 1 million circumstances.
There's really no denying shes stronger as a champ than shes ever been. But there's also no denying shes less effective than shes ever been in solo q.
100% pick ban at worlds, and I lost to a single challenger nid smurfing (the player was obviously boosting, the summoner spells swapped positions the same day nidalee started to be played with ridiculous individual skill metrics that matched nothing in that player's past 2 seasons of history. That account is now perma'd) in low diamond this season as my only loss to a nidalee player the entire season. That juxtaposition is really difficult to solve with any kind of real nerfs that could affect pro play nidalee since the only thing really left to nerf is her clear speed and thats basically all shes brings to the table any more.
Eyesack1 votesThere really aren't any real nerfs she can receive that would matter. Shes already basically a non viable champion in solo q because she completely lacks solo q tools and is a farm reliant jungler, both of which have low odds for success in solo q, a snowball game mode dominated by early pressure and impact junglers. The reality is shes become lee sin number 2. She's really only ever effective in pro play or when in the hands of a challenger player playing on a smurf account (and sure, THAT is hella annoying, but its not an issue with nidalee, its an issue with the structure of the ranked ladder in and of itself). Shes basically useless for 999,999 of 1 million players in 999,999 of 1 million circumstances.
There's really no denying shes stronger as a champ than shes ever been. But there's also no denying shes less effective than shes ever been in solo q.
100% pick ban at worlds, and I lost to a single challenger nid smurfing (the player was obviously boosting, the summoner spells swapped positions the same day nidalee started to be played with ridiculous individual skill metrics that matched nothing in that player's past 2 seasons of history. That account is now perma'd) in low diamond this season as my only loss to a nidalee player the entire season. That juxtaposition is really difficult to solve with any kind of real nerfs that could affect pro play nidalee since the only thing really left to nerf is her clear speed and thats basically all shes brings to the table any more.
Statistically nidalee is the highest winrate jungler in diamond+. You are wrong. Sorry, but like the people who said kindred was fine when she sat at 56% winrate in diamond+ for 11 patches straight you are horribly mistaken.
jaymc11301 votesStatistically nidalee is the highest winrate jungler in diamond+. You are wrong. Sorry, but like the people who said kindred was fine when she sat at 56% winrate in diamond+ for 11 patches straight you are horribly mistaken.
Yeah, you SURE right...
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Jungle
She's currently listed as 43 of 47 champs in the role...
Yep, the diamond player and former master tier player posting about nidalee was totally wrong about this and you were totally correct. 100%. Yep, yep, yep.
My Sea Cow1 votesDodge her spears...unless you step on a trap or you get hit by a spear she has no way of gap closing on to you unless you're in close range with her to begin with.
Expect her to invade early on, like a Shaco and counter jungle often. Just because you get completely destroyed by a Nidalee once today doesn't mean that she's completely broken. Just like Xin who it appears that you only play, they both are scary when fed. Appears that Nid got fed and you didn't. Don't scream "OP" because you got beat once by a Nidalee.
Jaygo412 votesI'll just say "dodge the Q" for lee, "dodge the E" for zac and elise, and "dodge the EQ" for j4 then. This is a shitty argument.
The reason Nidalee is strong has NOTHING to do with her offensive play pattern. In fact, I think her regular play pattern is fine. What kills me is the unlimited mobility to jump over walls and just get small little bursts of speed on a very short cooldown. I think her un-hunted abilities should do less damage, but that's something else entirely.
I FUCKING hate Nidalee. But I'm rank 7 on her and i played her in game 5 of my plat series last year in a stomp. I know how to play this champion well and effectively, at least at my level. I also watch this champ on the pro level as well, especially when she's been downright RIDICULOUS in the hands of anyone who knows what they're doing.
All other jungle champs have to "breathe." They have to base, get mana, buy items, and generally their total pressure is somewhat limited on a given outing before they base. Nidalee doesn't need to breathe at all. She stays out with her jungle item and no cost cougar form, perpetually regaining mana and healing herself. She tirelessly takes jungle camps when other champs have to base or don't have the sustain she does. The fact that she can poke AND all in at the same time means that she's a constant threat if she's in your jungle and can't be ignored. If she lands a Q, which isn't hard if the opposing person has been zoned out of getting reasonable vision in their own jungle, she gets her whole combo off. OR she continues to stay at high HP and throw spears at you, which, in congested avenues like the jungle, aren't as easy to dodge as you people say it is.
Nidalee's "poke-into-all in" pattern isn't the problem by any means. It's the fact that she can exert so much pressure without needing to back and has an absolutely disgusting clear. I've seen this with my own eyes and done this with my own hands. Pro players REGULARLY complain about how stupid of a champ she is.
Rework her or make serious changes to how she moves and utilizes her resources, because right now, she's unbalanceable with those kinds of tools. If you want to just gut her damage, it's just gonna make her weak. It's her tools that make her broken.
jaymc11301 votesI'll just say "dodge the Q" for lee, "dodge the E" for zac and elise, and "dodge the EQ" for j4 then. This is a shitty argument.
The reason Nidalee is strong has NOTHING to do with her offensive play pattern. In fact, I think her regular play pattern is fine. What kills me is the unlimited mobility to jump over walls and just get small little bursts of speed on a very short cooldown. I think her un-hunted abilities should do less damage, but that's something else entirely.
I FUCKING hate Nidalee. But I'm rank 7 on her and i played her in game 5 of my plat series last year in a stomp. I know how to play this champion well and effectively, at least at my level. I also watch this champ on the pro level as well, especially when she's been downright RIDICULOUS in the hands of anyone who knows what they're doing.
All other jungle champs have to "breathe." They have to base, get mana, buy items, and generally their total pressure is somewhat limited on a given outing before they base. Nidalee doesn't need to breathe at all. She stays out with her jungle item and no cost cougar form, perpetually regaining mana and healing herself. She tirelessly takes jungle camps when other champs have to base or don't have the sustain she does. The fact that she can poke AND all in at the same time means that she's a constant threat if she's in your jungle and can't be ignored. If she lands a Q, which isn't hard if the opposing person has been zoned out of getting reasonable vision in their own jungle, she gets her whole combo off. OR she continues to stay at high HP and throw spears at you, which, in congested avenues like the jungle, aren't as easy to dodge as you people say it is.
Nidalee's "poke-into-all in" pattern isn't the problem by any means. It's the fact that she can exert so much pressure without needing to back and has an absolutely disgusting clear. I've seen this with my own eyes and done this with my own hands. Pro players REGULARLY complain about how stupid of a champ she is.
Rework her or make serious changes to how she moves and utilizes her resources, because right now, she's unbalanceable with those kinds of tools. If you want to just gut her damage, it's just gonna make her weak. It's her tools that make her broken.
Its kind of like a "What did you expect to happen?" situation with Riot here. What did they expect to happen when they created a champion in Ryze who is gated by mana, but scales on mana, ensuring that he will eventually ungate himself? What did they expect to happen when they created Vladimir, a champion who is gated by health, but scales on health and will eventually ungate himself? What did they expect to happen with Nidalee when they gate her by making her land abilities from a distance and then close the distance to be effective and then give the champion infinite mobility to ungate herself from this? What was Riot thinking when they give Eve perma stealth and force the champion to be gated by damage out put because they removed her other gate (green wards you placed on her camps to track her, removed from shop in preseason) and she can be anywhere at anytime to output that damage?
These are all just very poor champion design decisions that are inherently unhealthy and have no real way to be balanced. You can't create a champion who's limiting factor is the same as their scaling factor and have it be a successful design. You can't give a champion a way to ungate itself and become ultra effective when its that very gate that is supposed to keep the champ from getting out of control. These 4 champs have been the most difficult to balance historically because they are very very very poorly designed.
Jaygo411 votesI agree completely. What happens is that there ARE champs that have a bunch of cool skills, but they don't have anything or any quality that's passively gamebreaking. Unless these champs are buffed into the sky to compete with those champs that HAVE gamebreaking qualities, then they just get shit on.
jaymc11301 votesI agree completely. What happens is that there ARE champs that have a bunch of cool skills, but they don't have anything or any quality that's passively gamebreaking. Unless these champs are buffed into the sky to compete with those champs that HAVE gamebreaking qualities, then they just get shit on.
Just kind of comes with the territory with Riot. You rather have to expect them to make poor decisions on a regular basis after years of proving they make poor decisions on a regular basis. It leaves those types of champs in a state where they can ONLY be one thing or the other, either oppressively strong, or understated and weak. Its just really poor design philosophy. It needs to be written on a big banner and hung in the champion dev team office "DON'T GIVE A CHAMPION THE ABILITY TO SCALE ON THE SAME RESOURCE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE GATED BY".
jaymc11301 votesEDIT: Okay so apparently boards doesn't think that the highest winrate jungler in diamond+ and the most banned champion at worlds is even good right now. The stupidity is strong with the boards sheeple.
It might have something to do with this:
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Jungle
Which you just so badly want to ignore that completely disqualifies your statement and the only piece of evidence you have yet to use. And its as wrong as is possible to be. The only junglers she has a higher win rate than is twitch, ekko, fizz, and cho gath. 42 other champions, even completely useless bs like 
have higher win rates.
Shes not even viable in solo q. Hasn't been the entire season. Hasn't been in several seasons.
But keep posting silly nonsense and rage downvoting the sensible people who disagree with various aspects of your premise. That will totally change the reality to fit more in line with your insane thinking.