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@Riot Please don't forget about Morde if he's gutted out of play in 5.18 like you did Ryze in 5.14.

MealReadytoEat··2 votes·807 views

I've been having more fun with Mordekaiser bot lane than I have since Jungle Twitch got nerfed out of viability last season. Morde's rework is the first successful attempt in years to change the incredibly stagnant bot lane meta, a lane I've typically loathed to play.

I'm really hoping you have more things in store for him if these nerfs hit him so hard that he's no longer viable. Halving what's been his main source of damage in bot lane while reducing its healing against minions by 80% early and even more late is going to hit him HARD.

Its possible he'll still see some play with maxing his Q first instead of W, or that he will shift to jungling now that the heal can be self cast (its not reduced vs monsters like it is minions), although the jungle items all kind of suck for him, but if he doesn't, please don't forget about him like you did with Ryze.

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Mordepool3 votes

5.18 just an round of nerfs to solo/ duo morde after a failed experiment. How else are they going to ensure he never gets seen again

Sion level rework needed not a band aid on a gangrenous rework

Jotunheimr2 votes

If his heal is lowered, how badly will that effect his sustain? We can't forget that he damages himself using his main damage dealing anilities.

MealReadytoEat2 votes

Its not even enough to compensate for his shitty base regen - 10 hp every 12 seconds doesn't compensate for having 4 hp per 5 base regen. Most other Melee champions have at least 8 HP per 5, and most are over 9.

Jotunheimr2 votes

Plus the faxt he is bursted easily... We shall see, Summoner.

3TWarrior1 votes

not entirely true...a mordekaiser with 4000 hp can still kill pretty much anyone and will be able to recharge his 1000 shield in an instant

cagaman1 votes

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not entirely true...a mordekaiser with 4000 hp can still kill pretty much anyone and will be able to recharge his 1000 shield in an instant

morde does not kill anyone mordekaiser will lose 1vs1 to many champs if both are fed: darius, yi, jax, irelia,...

MealReadytoEat1 votes

Morde losses to nearly every other melee champion in a duel, unless he's considerably more fed. However, his potential when he plays well with his team is unsurpassed. Misery loves company indeed.

Meep Man1 votes

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morde does not kill anyone mordekaiser will lose 1vs1 to many champs if both are fed: darius, yi, jax, irelia,...

It basically entirely depends on their health. If their exceeds his Q total damage in those three hits, he basically lost if he doesn't have dragon. If he has an ally, he can actually then possibly even 2v3 if the ally is the right kind.

Jotunheimr2 votes

Aww, I had just unlocked Morde, too. I also think how well a champion does in game is due to the skill of the summoner. Why nerf a champion if summoners learn the best way to utilize a kit? I've had games where a Morde the enemy plays Morde well, and wrecks. I've also seen the exact oppisite, even tho he's apparently op. Any champion should have the power to be overpowered if the summoner properly uses thier skill set. I wish I would have known Morde when he was crowned #1 huehue master. Perhaps I'm just a bad player, as have never really had a game with him that I was an unmovable object. Maybe there will be some hope playing Morde still with the right items, if you can get them early. Do they plan on nerfing his q? Or just the w?

MealReadytoEat2 votes

So far just the W, and its a pretty huge nerf, I doubt they'll need to nerf him anymore after it.

Jotunheimr1 votes

Also, does anyone know if Morde's attack damage and movement speed shall be affected at all?

MealReadytoEat1 votes

They did say a while ago they'd look into giving him a little more MS if they felt he needed it, but I doubt they'll touch his AD - He has the highest base AD in the game, and they wanted it that way.

Jotunheimr1 votes

Hmm. I think there may be ways around the nerf to some extent. For instance, what if you take lots of masteries from the defensive tree to compensate for the additional health costs? Or, what if you take from the utility tree for extra spell vamp to cancel out health costs to some extent, when paired with proper items? Maybe we are forced to have gunblade, and it may be a bit better with spellvamp and lifesteal utility. Even defensive tree may be okay for sustain because of Morde's already high damage. Ap tank? Maybe jungle morde could be viable with right items? I'm anxious to expiriment with Morde after this upcoming patch.

Any opinions on these ideas?

MealReadytoEat1 votes

Basically, you are saying buy terrible items on him, or terrible masteries to compensate for the fact that he's terrible. Gunblade/spellvamp will never be remotely good on him so as long as all his spells are AoE.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Basically, you are saying buy terrible items on him, or terrible masteries to compensate for the fact that he's terrible. Gunblade/spellvamp will never be remotely good on him so as long as all his spells are AoE.

His core item before his rework was some spell vamp. Because he wasn't a tank carry. Now that he is no longer an ap bruiser, it makes it really hard to say what his build is supposed to be, but it doesn't explain why within not even a week or 2 of being reworked Morde is already a problem. Right now he is being played with sub-optimal builds which means that imagine when people start to figure out the best builds? That's why he needs the nerf bat.

MealReadytoEat1 votes

Very few high tier Morde's considered spell-vamp core on him pre-rework

I never said that he wasn't overpowered or unproblematic, nor was I asking for them to not nerf him; I'm just asking for them to follow up on the nerfs if they gut him out of viability, rather than letting him sit at the bottom of the champion pool, unloved and unplayed.

Ser Garland1 votes

His Q has always been his main source in damage.

MealReadytoEat1 votes

The thing is, his q's scaling goes up a LOT as you level it, but the base not nearly so much as his w - maxing w first both gives you more sustain AND more damage if your support knows how to use it. Once you get a couple items though, his q's damage is his bread and butter.

Meep Man1 votes

I don't think he will be nuked out of orbit, but I think he will not be talked about, which saddens me. I really hoped to see Mordekaiser in Worlds.

MealReadytoEat1 votes

Yea, I'm thinking these nerfs are probably hard enough to make him disappear from the game, but not hard enough to make him non-viable in the right hands.

Ryze on the other hand got nerfed so hard that he doesn't feel viable in right hands anymore. I have over 300k mastery with him between live and PBE, and even I can't stand playing him anymore. I could probably still win more games than I loose, but come on, I got Darius and Fiora too.

OxBaker1 votes

Who's Ryze?

MealReadytoEat1 votes

A smurf.

Jotunheimr1 votes

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A smurf.

A smurf is an alternate account right? My profile is xiquis, lv. 18, but a few patches ago, I kept disconnecting from games and got a 20 minute time penalty on it. :( So I play my friend's account; this one. I leveled him up and what not. So this is a shared account. I should play my xiquis tho, I miss my Dragonslayer Pantheon lol.

MealReadytoEat1 votes

Its a joke, Smurfs originally refers to a Belgian comic/ characters in the comic who were blue midgets, and the TV show that it spawned. Ryze is blue, hence the joke.

A smurf in LoL is an alternate account, usually used to so the person fights easier opponents for easy wins, cause they are dicks.

Jotunheimr1 votes

Last night I played a bot game and tried the defensive tree on morde with cdr and attack speed from the offensive tree. I ended up soloing top, 2 v 1. Early was a struggle because I was up against trundle and leona, and for whatever reason maxed q asap and rushed ravenous hydra to see how it feels on him. Odd choices, right? After hydra was completed I killed them by poking e and hitting them 3 times with q. The AoE item effects(the visuals) still applied with q, so perhaps the hydra spreads out the qs damage. And when I went to roam other lanes, the extra armor and such resonated well with the w. I literally carried the team, it was the funniest shit. Only with hydra and ludens. It was a bot game tho. Keep in mind I had terrible stopmotion lag all game and could hardly see anything.

Jotunheimr1 votes

A smurf is an alternate lower level account from your main account, yes?

Jotunheimr1 votes

LOL! It sounds petter target practce than bot games

Jotunheimr1 votes

Yeah, I can't get a grip around how Morde is supposed to sustaon himself in fights with such a massive nerf on his healing. He'll just constantly kill himself. Add that and how easily he's bursted, how is one to survive as Morde? You'll end up taking over half your own health early just spamming your abilities to keep your shield up, which only goes so far.

Jotunheimr1 votes

It may sound odd, but what about sated on morde? Attack speed increase is nice

MealReadytoEat1 votes

Well, it doesn't let him get off his q in two hits, unlike Xin Zhao. Its not terrible, but meh, when I was playing him on PBE jungling I just didn't upgrade my stalker's blade.

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