Why are Leona's damage numbers being hit so hard?

SnugglePuggle94··5 votes·505 views

For real, I want to know why you are nerfing them so much.

**Q: ** To 30/55/80/105 from 40/70/100/130/160

That's a 10/15/20/30/50/55 damage nerf per level. Why can't it be like 35/55/95/120/140 or something instead?

W:

to 60/100/140/180/220 from 60/110/160/210/260

That's a 0/10/20/30/40 damage nerf. Instead I suggest 60/90/120/160/240 or something similar but not hitting a 40 damage nerf at full rank.

R:

to 100/175/250 from 150/250/350

That's a whopping 50/75/100 damage nerf. Why so much, Riot? Please, change it to like 100/200/300 or something.

I know you are pushing her to utilize more utility, and are giving her E root blade duration a buff, and the new Incandescence ability, but the way I see it, you didn't need to hit the numbers so hard. For these kinds of nerfs I would have expected you to heavily compensate her, like a 1. duration on her E and increasing her stun/slow root on her R or something.

Not only does this hurt her damage potential in game (say the ADC is behind for example, Leona was a pretty good champ at getting some damage off), but now she can't do that as much because of this. It also hurts her solo laning. Now I know it's not as popular, but jungling Leona is very fun. People usually max her W for clearing monster camps- and she can't do that as well because she is losing 10 damage per level on her W, and 5-25 damage per level on her Q. Top lane Leona, I've never done it but heard people like to max Q for her AA damage. It's harder to do that now.

Please, Riot, can we get an explanation for this? I know I'm going to get some hate for it, but I honestly liked building damage on Leona and now I can't do that because you are nerfing her numbers a bit too much.

EDIT: Honestly I don't know why I'm getting downvoted. Please upvote, I'm just trying to get some answers from Riot.

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Slack King2 votes

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For real, I want to know why you are nerfing them so much.

**Q: ** To 30/55/80/105 from 40/70/100/130/160

That's a 10/15/20/30/50/55 damage nerf per level. Why can't it be like 35/55/95/120/140 or something instead?

W:

to 60/100/140/180/220 from 60/110/160/210/260

That's a 0/10/20/30/40 damage nerf. Instead I suggest 60/90/120/160/240 or something similar but not hitting a 40 damage nerf at full rank.

R:

to 100/175/250 from 150/250/350

That's a whopping 50/75/100 damage nerf. Why so much, Riot? Please, change it to like 100/200/300 or something.

I know you are pushing her to utilize more utility, and are giving her E root blade duration a buff, and the new Incandescence ability, but the way I see it, you didn't need to hit the numbers so hard. For these kinds of nerfs I would have expected you to heavily compensate her, like a 1. duration on her E and increasing her stun/slow root on her R or something.

Not only does this hurt her damage potential in game (say the ADC is behind for example, Leona was a pretty good champ at getting some damage off), but now she can't do that as much because of this. It also hurts her solo laning. Now I know it's not as popular, but jungling Leona is very fun. People usually max her W for clearing monster camps- and she can't do that as well because she is losing 10 damage per level on her W, and 5-25 damage per level on her Q. Top lane Leona, I've never done it but heard people like to max Q for her AA damage. It's harder to do that now.

Please, Riot, can we get an explanation for this? I know I'm going to get some hate for it, but I honestly liked building damage on Leona and now I can't do that because you are nerfing her numbers a bit too much.

Because she is quite tanky, has a low cd stun, ranged gap closer, an aoe stun/slow and ok dmg BUUT if they do nerf her damage, they should allow her to proc her own passive atleast

SnugglePuggle941 votes

But that "ok" damage was nerfed because apparently her new ult passive will be giving her more damage, but I just don't see how many people will be able to always get that extra damage off in certain situations.

On the other note, Riot says they don't allow her to proc her own passive because it will make her too strong (I think that's what Gaussrik said on his ask.fm page when I asked him, but that was months ago).

Slack King1 votes

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But that "ok" damage was nerfed because apparently her new ult passive will be giving her more damage, but I just don't see how many people will be able to always get that extra damage off in certain situations.

On the other note, Riot says they don't allow her to proc her own passive because it will make her too strong (I think that's what Gaussrik said on his ask.fm page when I asked him, but that was months ago).

Well I didnt know her ult was getting a passive, which is cool. But her and naut dont need damage, they are already stun bots that become insanely tanky. They dont need damage on top of that

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I going damage on her especially if i'm going jungle Leo. So what? Tons of tanks have damage. She should have at least a moderate amount.

Slack King1 votes

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I going damage on her especially if i'm going jungle Leo. So what? Tons of tanks have damage. She should have at least a moderate amount.

Im fine with someone doing damage if they build damage, but good base damage on a tank is stupid. Tons of tanks dont have damage

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Cho'Gath? Darius? They have damage. Anyhow, I'm not saying she should have stupid numbers, but not extremely weak ones either.

Slack King1 votes

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Cho'Gath? Darius? They have damage. Anyhow, I'm not saying she should have stupid numbers, but not extremely weak ones either.

Neither of those people are tanks

Hell darius is a tank killer

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Cho is a Tank. Go look at him in the client, he's listed as such. Darius's secondary is a Tank, that was my bad.

Slack King1 votes

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Cho is a Tank. Go look at him in the client, he's listed as such. Darius's secondary is a Tank, that was my bad.

I dont care what the client says. Cho is only considered a tank due to his ults hp stacking, he still isnt a tank. He is a burst mage/fighter that gets a little extra bulk. When someone builds a item 3153 he still melts like a wet noodle.

But that would make ekko not a tank either, even though everyone complains about tank ekko. Since the client doesnt label him as a tank, he isnt one

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Yes, he is a tank in my opinion. I don't see him as a burst mage as his burst takes too long to get out, and fighting wise he doesn't have much in the kit for that.

Any tank will get melted with BOTRK these days, especially if the champ stacks it with other items and/or true damage.

Fine then, since you don't see him like I do, then think Rammus. He's a tank who can do damage.

Slack King1 votes

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Yes, he is a tank in my opinion. I don't see him as a burst mage as his burst takes too long to get out, and fighting wise he doesn't have much in the kit for that.

Any tank will get melted with BOTRK these days, especially if the champ stacks it with other items and/or true damage.

Fine then, since you don't see him like I do, then think Rammus. He's a tank who can do damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWjfW6jM_Po Takes to long to get out

Rammus most of rammus' damage comes from you auto attacking him, if youre not an auto attack champ that negates a massive chunk of his damage.

Even my assassin rammus leans towards the squishy side

SnugglePuggle941 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Zed is a fucking squishy ass champ, plus that Cho flashed over the wall and surprised him. He's not like fucking Yi or something like that.

Anyhow, Rammus is a fucking tank. No matter his passive, he still does damage, and Riot deems him as a tank. I have never seen anyone build him any different either.

Good Lord you are annoying to talk too. I'm done with this conversation.

Slack King1 votes

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[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Zed is a fucking squishy ass champ, plus that Cho flashed over the wall and surprised him. He's not like fucking Yi or something like that.

Anyhow, Rammus is a fucking tank. No matter his passive, he still does damage, and Riot deems him as a tank. I have never seen anyone build him any different either.

Good Lord you are annoying to talk too. I'm done with this conversation.

The clip was towards your statement that chos burst takes too long to get out, zed was dead in moments. Surprise or not Never said rammus doesnt deal damage, but his damage comes from people actually attacking him.

Youre just mad because your main is getting nerfed, get over it and grow a pair

SnugglePuggle941 votes
  1. I don't main Leona, just really like her.

  2. Cho flashed- his burst got out quickly because of that.

  3. Late game, when he has tank items, his damage falls off, and in duels his burst doesn't come out as quickly.

  4. Rammus has one, I repeat, ONE spell that causes others to deal damage to him. The rest he does all damage.

  5. The only thing I'm mad at is you. Also, don't say "grow a pair" to people, that's rude.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Incandescence is metric crap ton of damage - at max rank it's 5x70, plus - if perfectly played - 5x110 from her passive. That's a total of whooping 900.

They simply need to cut her hard elsewhere.

Quepha1 votes

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Incandescence is metric crap ton of damage - at max rank it's 5x70, plus - if perfectly played - 5x110 from her passive. That's a total of whooping 900.

They simply need to cut her hard elsewhere.

This.

Overall it looks like this is a damage buff for Leona. Complaining that her individual skills deal less damage without counting that portion is silly.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

It's not silly. I am passionate about Leona. How are people in lower Elo going to manage to be able to get of all 5 stacks? Especially in a heat of battle? Overall I don't think that helps much.

Quepha1 votes

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How are people in lower Elo going to manage to be able to get of all 5 stacks?

She only has to get 2 before her damage is exceeding her old damage. I know low elo players are bad, but you really aren't giving them enough credit.

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