The guy's tanky, very slippery with his pillar, frozen domain and Q's slow as well as being able to make you his bitch simply by pressing R. To top it all off if something around him dies, allies included, he gets free health back. It's really obnoxious...
Darkslayer8539 votes
Passive: I don't fucking wanna lose Q: Can't catch me bitch/Get flipped bitch W: This button makes you die really fast! E: This is between you and me. Stop trying to run. R: Now your team isn't allowed to help you because when they get close, they'll die.
Edit: I thought I'd get downvoted to hell, but I actually got a fair amount of support on this armored bear.
HateDaddy11 votes
Passive: I don't fucking wanna lose Q: Can't catch me bitch/Get flipped bitch W: This button makes you die really fast! E: This is between you and me. Stop trying to run. R: Now your team isn't allowed to help you because when they get close, they'll die.
Trundle just has to outsustain volibear, which isn't hard. And trundle will outscale him pretty quickly. He likely won't win an all-in pre 6 or even early on while his passive is up but at 2-3 items, Trundle will stomp Volibear
PhDs Nuts1 votesTrundle just has to outsustain volibear, which isn't hard. And trundle will outscale him pretty quickly. He likely won't win an all-in pre 6 or even early on while his passive is up but at 2-3 items, Trundle will stomp Volibear
You counter for the lane phase to prevent the enemy lane from getting 3 items early. Voli can do that against Trundle.
HateDaddy8 votesYou counter for the lane phase to prevent the enemy lane from getting 3 items early. Voli can do that against Trundle.
Volibear isn't going to prevent trundle from farming lol
Trundle can easily disengage from any brawl voli starts early and simply outsustain. And because trundle outscales him, he doesn't mind it being a farm lane.
JVP155 votesHmm. I haven't fought very many Tundles, but might dear Shenpai be able to bring some serious pain? I mean, Shen has that taunt. He can just taunt Trundle by saying that his Traditional skin makes him look ugly. If that doesn't hurt Trundle's self esteem, then I don't know what can get past this guy. Maybe being rejected by Taric in exchange for Lolipoppy. I think I found his weakness.
kile1471 votesTrundle wins 1v1 vs anyone melee. I can't imagine Shen would fare very well against him.
JVP153 votesWait wait wait. Who said anything about 1v1ing melee? I am trying to be smart, and kill Trundle with words and insults before he can shove a massive pole up my nether region. I don't particularly like to giant poles in my nether region.
kile1471 votesYour plan is to troll him? He's the king of the trolls.
JVP152 votesWell, if I troll him hard enough, I might become the king of trolls, because if I troll the king of trolls, then I can become the king of trolls with enough trolling and tolling. I have to do some tolling too, otherwise my trolling would not be very effective. I am trolling the king of trolls by tolling the king of trolls to become the king of troll tolls.
originary911 votesTrundle wins 1v1 vs anyone melee. I can't imagine Shen would fare very well against him.
It's what happens when you create an immobile champion with limited burst, no pulls and no dashes - their kit is amped up to compensate so that they can still compete in 5v5s, but at the same time it makes them virtually invincible when placed against another Melee champion. Used to be the case with Shyvanna too, she could outlane and outdamage pretty much everyone, but then she took an arrow to the knee - too much sticking potential with ult, burnout and BOTRK. Now it's Trundle and Voli - Trundles AD steal, AS, and insane sustain makes him very hard to beat in Lane. Voli's passive makes all-ins against him very dangerous to the point that you simply cannot 1v1 him unless you're significantly better and have a champion with outplay potential, or unless you have a significant item lead.
kile1471 votesWhich is why I pick Gnar and don't let them have fun
IceKingChernobog2 votes
Passive: I don't fucking wanna lose Q: Can't catch me bitch/Get flipped bitch W: This button makes you die really fast! E: This is between you and me. Stop trying to run. R: Now your team isn't allowed to help you because when they get close, they'll die.
But trundle counters voli though
Jack º9 votestbh... the buffs to that traditional trundle were enough to tie me over for a while. But if they nerf his stats, they need to buff traditional trundles voice for compensation
TheOvermind9 votesSo many clueless people proposing tanks to beat trundle and saying he is easy clearly because they never played vs a decent trundle . He is a top tier pick in the lcs for a reason. His ultimate also lacks major counterplay and it's what makes him so frustrating to play against
RogueWill2 votesSo many clueless people proposing tanks to beat trundle and saying he is easy clearly because they never played vs a decent trundle . He is a top tier pick in the lcs for a reason. His ultimate also lacks major counterplay and it's what makes him so frustrating to play against
He is top tier on LCS because 1. Tanks are currently popular on top lane which Trundles love since it makes him tankier and thus he can focus on buying damage. 2. Is mostly seen as support since again he can steal the stats from a tank making him able to become a tank at the same time makes the enemy tank weaker.
I see a lot of people saying that Trundle outscales x and Y champion when in reality Trundle is an early to mid game champion (he is actually terrible late game) since his AD steal is flat value any bruiser will start to outdamage trundle coming mid game (if trundle is not ahead by enough) also bruiser usually don't need their defensive stats that much in 1v1 scenarios.
Only Play Darius6 votesHe might also be popular in LCS because counterpick are so important and you can't properly counterpick Trundle as you cant tell which of the 3 lanes he will be going to
CC Mustang7 votesI dislike trundle's abilities mainly because i find them very strong. But what really russles my jimmies is his passive. FREE HEALTH JUST FOR THINGS DYING. At least 
has to kill something to get his hp and mana back. 
just has to stand in lane away from you and get 20hp per minion that you kill.
CeexSett3 votesWait Trundle is healed for ALLY units dying???!?!?
How could I not know that??
Nobody11117 votesIts frustrating to fight trolls
SIayton6 votesBiggest annoyance to me about trundle is that he scales off of how well you are doing, which is retaded. He shouldn't work as a support but he scales off of YOUR tanks resistances so he can literally become a real laner while his ult is active.
It needs to be reworked. It's so outdated and lacking in counterplay, it's really showing it's age as far as design. No champion should get stronger by you beating them.
MLDzXnRRR3 votesBiggest annoyance to me about trundle is that he scales off of how well you are doing, which is retaded. He shouldn't work as a support but he scales off of YOUR tanks resistances so he can literally become a real laner while his ult is active.
It needs to be reworked. It's so outdated and lacking in counterplay, it's really showing it's age as far as design. No champion should get stronger by you beating them.
He needs to be on top of you to do any dmg. And he is tanky only during his ultimate duration which is 8 seconds, if I'm not wrong.
TheOvermind4 votesU r a 5000 hp maokai with 250+ resistances. U go to teamfight. Trundle presses r . All of that gold that u invested in ur tankiness is now his.
CeexSett1 votesMorde's ult scales of how strong the enemies are... That may be a sign of why he is always toxic to the gameplay.
Malicious Metal1 votesSad but true.
CeexSett2 votesM.M. replied to me.
My life is complete, I can now turn into a gorilla and have a kid throw itself into my jail.
Colgate Gator5 votesI don't consider him OP per say, but godam is he frustrating to lane agaisnt.
So yeah, +1
Spoofghoul4 votesTrundle is frustrating because he is a flex pick his kit lacks counterplay
I mean you cannot play any tank into him because he win by default simply by stealing your stats he does the same in a teamfight he is also one of the strongest duelists in the game so you wont beat him with many of those either since he steals their ad and tank stats too He will pretty much always outstat you when you play a tank bruiser or fighter
That said there is one tank which soft counters trundle, but you still have to be carefull and place vision because he can still get you with help
why? because he doesnt use basic attacks to fight really so his chomp ad steal wont affect much
trundle relies on basic attacking so he has to go melee on your face and this guy just kites him around farting in his face.
Is also a splitpusher however doesnt take towers as fast but now with extra ap damage vs turrets will be a bit fatser then before and can build zzrot too if needed
Also you ult after he uses his ult to prevent him from stealing your bonus stats because you dont need ult unless he and possibly his jungler come to allin.
so you can ''ignore'' trundle with this champ he can't properly duel you so he will require help if he want you gone
singed also has the possibility to ''counterbuild'' by grabbing a warmogs a zzrot and a rylais for extra kite now you can sustain splitpush just as effective and quickly and he cant fight you all good items on singed and lets not forget you can use ult after he does so he can't steal all of your tank stats this allows you to stack hp over resistances softcountering his ultimate, its still going to leech hp but your ult will regen that whilst giving 80 armor and mr
Therefore you can completely nullify the trundle top pick but this only works as a counterpick
Its a softcounter because you sort of will be stuck with the trundle so whilst nullifieying him you wont be around to help your team yourself
so its a 1v1 and a 4v4 essentially
another option vs trundle could be 
but this is more risky.
You can beat him ealry and set him ebhind so it will take longer to ''outscale''
You can build 
this will give you grievous wounds on ad damage applyieng your passive emans he has reduced sustain for 10 seconds
You have a heal too so there is some sutain available on top of having very high healthregen
He will still steal your ad in fights but after a couple seconds you gain a mosntrous amount so its less effective vs this guy You gain free armorpen ad the mortal reminder and most of his armor will be useless even when he steals yours and if he disngages with pillar you grab him with pull
So you cn kinda deal with the trolly nature of his kit he steal your stats but they are innefective vs you because you cut through that armor anyway. You can gut his sustain by sustaining yourself and his ad steal will be vastly overpowered by your passive
And blocking your escape with pillar is meh, you are very immobile anyway so if you are really over extending your would have been fucked regardless vision will help here so spam pinks
You can then proceed to build armor items like these
because his damage is pretty much basic attacks will help nullify lifesteal if he builds it.
Block a % of basic atatck damage his ult wont stop that
attackspeed slow and active slow overall good because again his ult wont stop the attackspeed slow
also slows attackspeed will also be a good item
all good items vs trundle
Jyoeru3 votesSo learn how to counter him either with your plays, another champ, and learn to anticipate what he will do. I don't tend to have any issues with Trundle that makes me concerned when he's in my game.
HateDaddy10 votesSo learn how to counter him either with your plays, another champ, and learn to anticipate what he will do. I don't tend to have any issues with Trundle that makes me concerned when he's in my game.
There's no such thing as a champion who beats trundle in lane. He is the epitome of walking stats, the only interesting things about Trundle are his pillar and his ult. The rest is him simply out-stating you.
Serlthree3 votesYeah there is. There're just not popular right now. For example, people who out-dps trundle (Wukong, Riven, FIzz) or people who can poke Trundle (Gnar, Swain Top, Teemo)
Also, there are plenty of champs with walking stats (Xin Zhao, Garen, Darius, Zac)
HateDaddy3 votesYeah there is. There're just not popular right now. For example, people who out-dps trundle (Wukong, Riven, FIzz) or people who can poke Trundle (Gnar, Swain Top, Teemo)
He can literally outsustain them all. Riven can probably beat him, Swain is just a farm lane.
Also, there are plenty of champs with walking stats (Xin Zhao, Garen, Darius, Zac)
Those walking stats don't steal your stats lol
The Yetii Rider6 votesHe can literally outsustain them all. Riven can probably beat him, Swain is just a farm lane.
Man. If only there were a convenient, 800 gp item that cut Trundle's sustain by almost half on every auto attack.
HateDaddy4 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FUqaG7WQ,comment-id=00000001000000000001,timestamp=2016-06-08T04:21:42.175+0000)
Man. If only there were a convenient, 800 gp item that cut Trundle's sustain by almost half on every auto attack.
Buying that item sets you 800 gold behind and does very little to help your damage against him, especially post 6 when he can steal all of your stats. Shutting trundle down in lane just doesn't happen. He has weaknesses but that's mostly outside of lane phase.
The Yetii Rider1 votesBuying that item sets you 800 gold behind and does very little to help your damage against him, especially post 6 when he can steal all of your stats. Shutting trundle down in lane just doesn't happen. He has weaknesses but that's mostly outside of lane phase.
Yeah it's a trade off. Does it suck? Sure, but you do it anyway because his sustain is the most powerful aspect to him.
If you don't buy EC against Trundle you deserve to get your ass kicked. Same with Volibear, same with Mundo.
HateDaddy4 votesYou're not understanding, you're buying an item to shut down his sustain when
A) it won't shut his sustain, just slow it
B) leave you completely open to being destroyed in 1v1s, which a good trundle will take advantage of.
It's a terrible lane item. It doesn't help you in lane at all. When ranged tops like graves/Quinn rush it against me as Nasus, I laugh my ass off and ignore them because they literally won't damage me at all. What do I have to worry about out sustaining when they don't do that much damage? They reduced my sustain a bit, at what expense?
There's a reason you don't rush these items in lane, they know the trade offs don't work and aren't worth it.
The Yetii Rider1 votesYou're not understanding, you're buying an item to shut down his sustain when
A) it won't shut his sustain, just slow it
B) leave you completely open to being destroyed in 1v1s, which a good trundle will take advantage of.
It's a terrible lane item. It doesn't help you in lane at all. When ranged tops like graves/Quinn rush it against me as Nasus, I laugh my ass off and ignore them because they literally won't damage me at all. What do I have to worry about out sustaining when they don't do that much damage? They reduced my sustain a bit, at what expense?
There's a reason you don't rush these items in lane, they know the trade offs don't work and aren't worth it.
It helps you deal with him better in a team fight later, and you accept that you lose lane. Pretty simple. You just play passively, don't feed, keep up in farm and have the tools to prevent him from being a monster during team fights.
HateDaddy1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FUqaG7WQ,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-08T17:13:53.212+0000)
It helps you deal with him better in a team fight later, and you accept that you lose lane. Pretty simple. You just play passively, don't feed, keep up in farm and have the tools to prevent him from being a monster during team fights.
Letting him farm is going to help him be a monster in teamfights lol. You really thinking buying it, and for many champions this goes completely out of your normal build, is going to hurt his teamfight lol? So his ult won't heal him for AS much but he's still going to be disruptive as shit, tanky as shit and have the potential to zone out your backline. But trundles teamfight isn't anything special, it's just steal someone's stats and pillar/zone, which is average. Letting him get items in lane creates an impossible to deal with split pusher who can easily fend off ganks.
You're better off going all damage and trying to burst him than hoping 800g is going to change things this much lmao
Whut Thuh 2 votesbut all of them require actives and actulaly doing something to get stats and deal damage garen requires farm xin has far less cc and darius has no speedboost. trundle ist just a fat walking stat bar that says ima sit here and farm and occasionaly bite and slow you and then farm some more
Psyturkey3 votesEven his ult is just "those are some nice stats you have there... it'd be a shame if someone... took them."
Mobius3 votesPlay Gnar with Frozen Mallet and Swifties, there's literally nothing Trundle can't do against that.
billxx1 votesDouble negative. And if trundle isn't a potato he'll bait out hop and then gnar is screwed
devdev4633 votesDouble negative. And if trundle isn't a potato he'll bait out hop and then gnar is screwed
If gnar isn't a potato he won't get baited into using his hop in a disadvantageous way.
billxx1 votesThen the lane does nothing because trundle can out sustain gnar, and gnar can out poke trundle
Mobius1 votesOutsustain Gnar? You talk like he does no damage. The multiple W procs hurt a lot, especially when Trundle is building armor to mitigate the Q/AAs damage and not the %hp magic damage Gnar's W does.
billxx1 votesYea but trundle starts dorans blade then, or corrupting potion. He might even start blade of the ruined king.
Mobius1 votesYea but trundle starts dorans blade then, or corrupting potion. He might even start blade of the ruined king.
If he starts Doran's Blade, he's only making things easier for Gnar. Same goes for BotRK, Trundle is just gonna die randomly from the poke damage, so he either builds armor and try to survive the laning phase or build damage and die over and over.
billxx1 votesWell idk then. I have beaten gnar as trundle before and it was easy.
INoble KnightI2 votesI'd rather face Trundle than 
and 
anyday
Rìveń4 votesI'd understand if you'd rather fight him than Gnar's obnoxious poke, kiting and extreme CC, but Fiora? Really? Tank Fiora was nerfed, she now has to build alot of damage meaning that she easily dies, she doesn't have a good way to quickly and unpredictably engage a teamfight and dies instantly if she doesn't parry all of your shit with one W, and if your whole team threw all of your spells at a Fiora at the same time, I'm sorry, but you deserved to lose that fight. In the early game her W also has a rather long cooldown and is quite easy to play around if you have even a single dash/blink ability and unless you're in really high ELO it's rather easy to bait it out. She is generally considered a skill-matchup vs damage dealers these days and a counter to tanks.
Meanwhile Trundle is literally impossible to trade against if you're a melee toplaner in the early game because of his Q decreasing your AD whilst increasing his own by twice the amount, I've had games where he's rushed sunfire and still has more AD than me when I'm building damage because I lose 20 AD and he gains 40 whenever he uses his level 5 Q on me. Ontop of that, the cooldown on the ability is only 4 seconds at all ranks and lasts for 8 seconds and costs only 30 mana, meaning that he can easily have himself buffed and you debuffed at all times. He also gets free literal shit tons of sustain straight out of his arse from his passive which instantly heals him for 2/3/4/5/6% of his max health whenever a unit dies, no effort required within a 1400 units range (to give you a perspective of approximately how far this is, Twisted Fate's Q range is 1450). This is just an absurd amount of sustain. His ultimate is also extremely problematic, because it punishes your team for even having a tank, which is just completely retarded.
DontBanMeImDrunk1 voteshes literally no different than any other tanky top laner.
