Stop rewarding players for taking top laners to mid lane

Succubús GF··3 votes·557 views

It creates an unfair matchup. I want to think "wow i got outplayed, wp" but no, if i get another damn olaf mid i will lose my shit Edit- im getting lots of downvotes. Is it because you "top lane mains" want to stay easy free wins?

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Iageri4 votes

I saw an Olaf ADC completely Decimate a Gold game.

It was Horrifying.

Succubús GF1 votes

It's absolutely ridiculous and riot even knows it. Any top laner can go mid and succed 90% of the time. Rmember how stupid broken fiora mid and riven mid were? Like ffs.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Riven mid might have been viable, but saying it's broken is exaggerating. Most midlaners are ranged and as long as you keep your distance from riven (It's possible, and even if she goes melee you don't need to aim your spells anymore lol) you can beat her.

Marshbouy1 votes

AHAHPAHHAAHAHAA I had a shaco support carry my feeding ass through a silver 2 game once. holy shit was it a good time

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I have carried a game as kha'zix support LOL

Marshbouy1 votes

nice!

Erockandroll4 votes

A solo lane, is a solo lane, is a solo lane.

The only difference is the Nuances of the lane. Top lane is longer, thus more dangerous when over extending, and it's remoteness means you would probably rely on TP for map pressure. While Mid lane is shorter, thus harder to get ganked. And being in the center of the map offers more opportunities to apply pressure.

Other than that, You CS the same, and you get solo XP the same. You could say that certain champs synergize with a particular position, due to those nuances. But you can have a GP mid or a Liss Top, and they will still perform the same way.

Succubús GF2 votes

It's because champions like lissandra and gp can offer the utility that is needed for both lanes. And it isn't an unfair advantage. The purpose of this post was, top laners are being rewarded with free wins when they go to mid lane. And by top laners, i am moreso speaking on juggernauts. Champions like olaf and fiora can thrive so well in the mid lane without a penalty for doing so

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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It's because champions like lissandra and gp can offer the utility that is needed for both lanes. And it isn't an unfair advantage. The purpose of this post was, top laners are being rewarded with free wins when they go to mid lane. And by top laners, i am moreso speaking on juggernauts. Champions like olaf and fiora can thrive so well in the mid lane without a penalty for doing so

fiora is what they call a skimsher these days, and "melee adc" in the past. olaf is considered a dive fighter as far as i understand. none of them is a juggernaut.

though id say olaf has some overlap.

Succubús GF1 votes

I am pretty sure olaf is still considered a juggernaut. Fiora i agree is a skirmisher.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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I am pretty sure olaf is still considered a juggernaut. Fiora i agree is a skirmisher.

im saying i dont think its entirely fair for any champion to succeed against another champion every time.

including certain mages and adc destroying bruisers when taken into top lane.

it goes both ways.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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I am pretty sure olaf is still considered a juggernaut. Fiora i agree is a skirmisher.

riot said they consider olaf a dive fighter because of his ult. one of the main traits of juggernauts is, that theyre kitable tanky melee carries.

while olaf has a lot in common with them, his ult removes the ability to kite him for the duration entirely. its almost as powerful as a hard gap closer because of it.

VoidStaresBack1 votes

Olaf is a juggernaut according to Riot, but admittedly is a very strange one. He isn't a diver because he lacks one of the major aspects of a diver in having no hard CC and little way to stick to his target outside of his axes.

Marshbouy2 votes

Since when was olaf mid a free win? Wouldn't he get poked down by mages the whole time?

Succubús GF1 votes

Maybe pre 6? But good luck getting him out of your face post 6 when he can't be stopped. And by then he will already have item 3065 So mages wont do any damage

GULAG 4 U2 votes

You must have feeded him hard if he as a full item at level 6 O_o

Succubús GF1 votes

Post 6 * Means after. After lv 6

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Even at that, olaf would deal low damage without getting dmg first. Also magic penetration and item 3165 exist too bud.

Marshbouy1 votes

There's a thing called cooldowns. His ult has one. Claiming that a mage will do no damage to someone with only a spirit visage is a lie, and i play primarily mages

Athenes Lulu2 votes

if we can stop rewarding players for taking midlaners, botlaners, and junglers to top lane then sure

kappa

Critmaster Garen1 votes

well.

i could say stop rewarding players for taking adc and mages top first.

but the truth is, there are no fixed "top laners" "mid laners" or "bot laners". everyone can take his champion into any lane if it fits the matchup. the real problem is, that certain champions just completely shit on other champions.

that includes adc/support duos usually destroying every other combination. somethign thats long overdue to be fixed.

or certain mages completely destroying melee bruisers in top lane.

Succubús GF1 votes

So you think it is fair for an olaf to go mid and succeed everytime? Please elaborate

GULAG 4 U1 votes

item 3165

VoidStaresBack1 votes

He was succeeding against you, who was playing katarina.

Yes he's going to succeed, that's a trivial matchup for Olaf, Juggernauts like him absolutely dumpster assassins. If you'd been playing a mage, you would have dumpstered him, Cho'Gath is one of the few Juggernaut-type (he's not technically a Juggernaut, but plays like one) champions who's actually viable in the mid lane against a variety of matchups.

You got countered hard by an Olaf, that's all that happened. Any of my mid laners would have dumpstered him in turn.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

It's called lane swapping man... it's a strategy in lol... also how do you plan on fixing this?

Succubús GF1 votes

How in the world do you swap that? That would be like kat getting her choice of voli or olaf. She is fu**ed either way . I was thinking something along the lines of set items for mid laners only, top laners only. Like if you are top lane you can purchase any top lane item. Same with mid jg and adc. Well jg would just be any itemization really.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

How would the items fix this? Also, most toplaners are melee, prone to ranged harass... you're doing something wrong here bud :/. Also I meant lane swap because i though you were talking about top laners and mid laners swapping lanes to get a better matchup. Also how does kat lose to olaf? Her ult cuts his healing.

Succubús GF1 votes

item 3211 . If he rushes that, kat will do pretty much no damage. She is squishy. One axe to the face by accident can cut her down to half health.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

One axe can't do that much damage, unless he's super fed. He'd need to get into melee range too. Also all champions have a counter so the point isn't valid. Also magic penetration exists.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

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item 3211 . If he rushes that, kat will do pretty much no damage. She is squishy. One axe to the face by accident can cut her down to half health.

you were playing kat?

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

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How would the items fix this? Also, most toplaners are melee, prone to ranged harass... you're doing something wrong here bud :/. Also I meant lane swap because i though you were talking about top laners and mid laners swapping lanes to get a better matchup. Also how does kat lose to olaf? Her ult cuts his healing.

kat loses to olaf easily, assassins lose to fighters

Assassins go mid to shit on mages for free wins toplaners go mid and get shit on by mages and adcs

If he was playing kat then this is just pure irony

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Well assassins need counterplay honestly. Taking Toplaners to mid to counter assassins is fine. They'll miss out on AP (burst?) damage in the team for doing this too.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

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Well assassins need counterplay honestly. Taking Toplaners to mid to counter assassins is fine. They'll miss out on AP (burst?) damage in the team for doing this too.

assassins may or may not need counterplay

bottom line is they do. They function really well against particular types of champs and not so great against others.

You don't have to miss out, you can just laneswap or whateveer

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Yeah. And taking a bruiser mid in order to counter one is fine, most bruisers are ad, so they'll miss ap damage.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

Did you ever wonder why toplaners just don't go top and mid to begin with if they are so strong?

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