Zoe has: -Better CC -Like 3x damage in full combo -Better mobility -3 summoner spells -RNG -Better waveclear -Lower cooldowns And unlike Leblanc, she doesn't have to wait 6 seconds for her target to die after she lands something on them
Disulfiram16 votesZoe doesn't have better mobility than Leblanc; the rest is pretty much true though. (Worth noting that Zoe's main damage can be bodyblocked - by for example a tank stepping in front of a CCed squishie)
LordGeovanni1 voteszoe only has a 42% chance (around there) to have better mobility than leblanc with how often flash drops for her. gg rito confirmed most broken summoner spell has such a high chance to drop. If she has 2 flashes she has better mobility than leblanc because she also gets a supper long movement speed buff on it. Her mobility is also better than leblanc with any 3 procs of her w flash being 1 (Zoe carrying summoner spell flash in the game).
Superspick16 votesThe mobility bit is wrong.
I realize there are ARAM clips of Zoe casting 4 Flashes in a row, but that's ridiculously situational and has no place in a comparison when LB can Dash whenever the CD is up.
For my part, i think new LB is garbage due to being a fucking assassin that has to WAIT to deal her burst. Like, what the actual fuck was being smoked when this idea was passed.
LB DEFINITELY needed to lose the silence and likely needed a bit less damage. But this abomination is garbage. FFS AD LeBlanc is gaining traction bc that's preferable to AP LB LOL.
Pale Pirate2 votesHey I have been playing some AD Leblanc before her rework, but couldn't get AD leblanc to work after it, where have you heard of ad Leblanc?
Pale Pirate3 votesHey.
God forbid if people can't ask questions to each other anymore because there's google. No one asked you to come in.
Yes I'm actually aware google exists. Of course a person who already knows the answer is much more likely to give you helpful information. No, google doesn't have the answer to everything, and it doesn't help here.
I asked nicely, if you aren't going to try to help the best you can do is be nice as well. By the way it's season 8 now.
Attticus Finch1 votesCalm down.
Seilleas3 votes[{quoted}](name=0 oxros piratis,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FQRwo23P,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-01-04T20:47:11.568+0000)
Hey I have been playing some AD Leblanc before her rework, but couldn't get AD leblanc to work after it, where have you heard of ad Leblanc?
works hella good if you play correctly, its becoming more popular after Voyboy started it again.
Troll for Trump1 votesAll assassins got their burst delayed because people were tired of 100-0 oneshots. Problems exist with both cases: When assassins 100-0 in the blink of an eye, they feel satisfied but targets feel there wasn't counterplay When assassins have a delayed 100-0, they can't reliably assassinate targets and feel worse, while targets feel that there's more counterplay.
Superspick1 votesI know, you're right.
It's my opinion the main problem is how EASY the 100-0 comes. Too often it comes from point and click, or -guaranteed- setup. I think delayed burst on a class whose only purpose is removing a key player from the enemy team is poor, full stop. It's like suggesting every tank HAS to wait 2s for their defensive steroids to activate.
I think Talon's assassinations are comparatively healthy. His kill condition is his bleed, which you CAN trigger almost instantly, but because it is a DoT it is ALSO possible for you to be shielded or healed to survival, but by then Talon did his job, so to speak. Contrast to LB, whose assassination actually literally requires she wait to even trigger it and it can be denied by actually just walking away unless she used her E, but then she has to aim and hit you AND still wait for her main damage tool to proc? I think this would be much healthier if she didn't need to wait to proc her sigil, but her sigil explosion itself would be delayed, but LB would get in and get out. From there, the target dies if alone without healing or shielding or if not, their support saves them, as they are intended to. Why not give LB passive a Living Bomb (WoW) type of mechanic where her Q marks her target and if the target is hit with another spell (conditional) then the sigil pops, erupting for a certain amount of damage after 1s. Maybe her ult Q becomes a skillshot nuke that deals more damage than it currently does but it requires aiming, so you can't just QRQ to nuke someone point and click.
I appreciate the whole "don't wanna step on other character niches" but i don't know how many healthy ways to implement assassinations that don't feel bad to execute exist that are ALSO unique and fresh, to be blunt.
I don't think you should have TIME to REACT to an assassin. That's -literally- the point of an assassin. I 100% think ALL assassin burst should be avoidable to some extent that is not solely range. If your counterplay is don't be in 700 units of me if i am on my power curve (Akali.....), you are a poorly balanced assassin.
Kat is a perfect example too. She does wayyy too much damage with electrocute rn, but you are not killing shit as Kat with only her targetted Q and E, point and click or not, because her burst is tied to her daggers. Conditional. You CAN avoid the bulk of her intended burst, just right now Electrocute and the preseason are out of control.
MysterQ1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N95YSoWCrq0&feature=youtu.be
Yea, her R can't be used to run away. Except it is on short cooldown, synced well with her sleep.
Not the best clip. But real game, not ARAM. Not abusing flash. Just literally able to run around and annoy people. She is not the most mobile champ. But she defintely has more mobility than say Garen.
FridgesArePpl28 votesIn what world does Zoe have better mobility than Leblanc?
An LB full combo also does way more damage and is easier to hit with.
Sayonara Shabi14 votesIn what world does Zoe have better mobility than Leblanc?
An LB full combo also does way more damage and is easier to hit with.
yeah in 2015
Poske1 votesTheir damage is about even
But you have to know the proper le blanc excecution and build which is what 99% of players even in high elo dont know
MysterQ4 votesDon't forget, Zoe single Q, not even combo, can still chunk/delete people ....
:(
KennysDreamGirl3 votesDon't forget, Zoe single Q, not even combo, can still chunk/delete people ....
unless she is VERY far ahead then thats a lie. zoe needs her e bonus damage to really delete people
MysterQ5 votesNot true, and I can post proof.
Faker has a clip of 100% damage with JUST Q vs an equally/slightly more ahead Ezreal. Yes it is an ADC without MR, but Zoe also only had 2items+boots.
KennysDreamGirl1 votesNot true, and I can post proof.
Faker has a clip of 100% damage with JUST Q vs an equally/slightly more ahead Ezreal. Yes it is an ADC without MR, but Zoe also only had 2items+boots.
Don't say you can post proof and then not post it lol. You can't just tell someone they're wrong and then not provide the reasons that they are.xd
especially after sending another message saying you just can't wait to prove me wrong like doing so is the most important thing ever lol
MysterQ2 votesSee provided clip then. Even with the aut weaved in, it is literally no E and he still one-shots a squishy. There is no way to justify that damage on a short CD spell.
KennysDreamGirl1 votesSee provided clip then. Even with the aut weaved in, it is literally no E and he still one-shots a squishy. There is no way to justify that damage on a short CD spell.
a 400 ap zoe with two pen items hit a max range q on a squishy that probably had no mr... my point still stands
MysterQ3 votesYour quote
unless she is VERY far ahead then thats a lie. zoe needs her e bonus damage to really delete people
My video Zoe is not VERY far ahead, she is about even. Zoe did not use her E. Zoe did delete someone.
Make all the excuses you want, but you are clearly biased and are contradicting yourself.
MysterQ2 votesSad, I was hoping you would reply so I could show you how wrong you are.
Sukishoo2 votesToo bad they are both classed as Burst Mages and not Assassins XD
Poske3 votesThey never call ranged champions assassins essentially
But both are primary assassins
Sukishoo2 votesEh, no. They've kept ranged champions out of Assassins now, as they should only be Melee... and both of them are Mages.
Poske3 votesWhy did I get downvoted for saying a true
There is not a single ranged champion under assassin classification
Le blanc is an assassin however doesnt matter how they want her to identify
KennysDreamGirl1 votesexcept zoe isnt mobile. if she was then her biggest weakness wouldnt be to just get on top of her dong huap just released a good video about her so go check it out.
Newbie1287491 votesidk lb has been pretty weird since her rework
Unvictus1 votesIf you think Zoe has better mobility you are sadly mistaken.
Daunt1 votesWell she's a better version of LB minus the mobility. She also actually has a late game unlike LB. LeBlanc really needs her mini update in 2018 to define her better. She's either too oppressive or too clunky cause she has to be delayed for 1.5s which can prove to be a lot in late game where her damage doesn't back her up enough for how much she has to wait for it. I really did enjoy her assassin update but after all the nerfs (which were justified) she feels too clunky to play as. Hopefully 2018 treats her better.
Poske1 votes
Learn to proc this with clone use my build and setup and you LL enjoy her
Le blanc lategame is in no way shape or form bad... if you are good le blanc granted
Daunt1 votesThat's still more mid game oriented than late game. You're never gonna be in a position where you'll have enough time to fully proc it without dying. She needs better scaling in a sense that her delays become smaller as the game goes on. Similarly in a way that Katarina works. While she has to wait for her daggers in the meantime she can use her R to fill out the necessary damage. Relying on gimmicks from items is really shit.
Poske2 votesI only mentioned her core stuff
I constantly one shot people in 0.4 seconds if not faster with her WITHOUT being fed (abusing item spikes)
Asking for le blanc buffs is absurd. She is at 51% winrate in diamond+ and thats without 99% of diamond + players knowing clone can proc her revolver and sheen seperetly
Daunt1 votesI'm not asking for buffs since i did say she'd be oppressive asf if they did do it. I'm asking for a rework so she doesn't feel as clunky to play as.
Troll for Trump1 votesLB's being reworked/updated
Poske1 votesNot something I approve ):
Troll for Trump1 votesZoe is more glass cannon because she has less escapes, and, when she commits and doesn't kill her target, she's more vulnerable than LB.
More dmg for less safety.
What mitigates this is her rng W.
Ahri Baka1 votesHonestly , I can't agree with you , Zoe's only cc is her E , yeah it's broken but both champions aren't meant for cc I don't think Zoe has more damage unless she travels really far and hit after well no , Zoe's wave clear is pretty bad and she has no mobility , her ult isn't meant for mobility Zoe actually isn't really that strong what's broken about her is
MysterQ1 votesDefinitely not the best vid. Zoe and team are ahead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N95YSoWCrq0&feature=youtu.be
Yea, her R can't be used to run away. Except it is on short cooldown, synced well with her sleep.
She isn't as freely mobile as LB> But she isn't some stationary rock. And it isn't as simple as 'oh Ult makes her vulnerable.'
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesWas laning against this bs champ today, she missed all her spell... so i engaged her... what a mistake new champs have no mana cost and no cd it seems. ofc along decent to good depush & damage.
Riot go break her legs
Lusth1 votesBecause LB is no longer an assassin, she's a kite mage mobile disruptor xDXDDDxdD great rework rito btw
Poske3 votesShe is still an assassin riot just doesnt identify her as one
Poske1 votesI disagree Zoe is excatly worse le blanc which is why I didnt pick her up
Good le blanc can kill 5 times per game in 0.4 seconds per game
Fk download any of my games this is what you ll see post this item
What Le blanc has over her
You just cant play Le blanc to 20% of her potentional
Top 3 Hardest to master champions in my book are
Le blanc is consistently master tier level champion according to statistics and that is with 99% of people wordlwide building her incorrectly
But yeah sheeps ll be sheeps
Seilleas1 votesLeBlanc has better mobility but she also has lower cds and harder to avoid damage, you really cant dodge it you can only hope she misses.
