Whens zilean getting nerfed?

Xavanic·Sep 11, 2017·1 votes·318 views

This champion is in top and mid all the fucking time now, he does tons of dmg mid to late game, and is just straight up too safe.... If i were to nerf him...i would remove his ability to ult himself

11 Comments

MysterQSep 11, 20172 votes

Lol he has one attack on a decent cooldown.

XavanicSep 11, 20171 votes

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Lol he has one attack on a decent cooldown.

With that one damage ability he has a near 54% win rate in mid lane...so tell me again that it matters? the problem he has is hes TOO safe...and can still dish out a near one shot mid to late game, plus if he lands a 2 man (or more) stun in a team fight, you lost that fight, no questions asked, just because hes got one dmg ability doesnt mean he isnt a problem, when a champ can safely poke at range with little to no consequences (and even when he does get caught he just ults) is a little problematic, plus once he gets a morello those bombs come out really fucking fast, he needs to be dealt with appropriately before he dominates the meta like sona did at 61% win rate

MysterQSep 11, 20171 votes

We'll see what happens in the future. I don't have the statistics, but I doubt he has a high play percentage that makes a high winrate worrisome.

BeatzBoyFTWSep 11, 20172 votes

With that one damage ability he has a near 54% win rate in mid lane...so tell me again that it matters?

With a pathetic 0.75% pick rate. Good job leaving that out.

the problem he has is hes TOO safe...and can still dish out a near one shot mid to late game,

His only mobility is a speed boost from his E, which doesn't let him dash/blink over walls. And his Q is a 3 second delayed burst damage, which gives the enemy ample time to shield/heal.

plus if he lands a 2 man (or more) stun in a team fight, you lost that fight, no questions asked, just because hes got one dmg ability doesnt mean he isnt a problem, when a champ can safely poke at range with little to no consequences

After tossing 2 Qs, he's a sitting (ulting) duck. That's your moment to focus him down.

(and even when he does get caught he just ults) is a little problematic

Good. He wasted his ult on himself instead of the 10/2/7 Caitlyn. What's the problem?

plus once he gets a morello those bombs come out really fucking fast,

About time you get off your stingy-ness & start buying some MR.

he needs to be dealt with appropriately before he dominates the meta like sona did at 61% win rate

The last time he "dominated" mid lane was Season 6. Why even pick him when there's better picks like Syndra Orianna Zed . Just because of his ult?

XavanicSep 12, 20171 votes

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With a pathetic 0.75% pick rate. Good job leaving that out.

His only mobility is a speed boost from his E, which doesn't let him dash/blink over walls. And his Q is a 3 second delayed burst damage, which gives the enemy ample time to shield/heal.

After tossing 2 Qs, he's a sitting (ulting) duck. That's your moment to focus him down.

Good. He wasted his ult on himself instead of the 10/2/7 Caitlyn. What's the problem?

About time you get off your stingy-ness & start buying some MR.

The last time he "dominated" mid lane was Season 6. Why even pick him when there's better picks like . Just because of his ult?

Syndra, ori and Zed are riskier picks, theres zero risk to playing zilean, if you manage to die, you deserve to be stuck in bots, also he just backs off, theres no way your getting on top of him once he slows you/lands his stun, hes straight up unfun to lane against because theres almost no way to win the lane because he just keeps pushing non stop with endless bombs, if you do get on top of him, its actually just a bait

PrimaquariusSep 12, 20171 votes

Its a massive gamble to use Zilean for 1v1 lanes, because he cant attack as often as pretty much any other mage. Almost every other support can trade evenly with Zilean as a minimum, and he is outclassed in damage by every other role

XavanicSep 12, 20171 votes

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Its a massive gamble to use Zilean for 1v1 lanes, because he cant attack as often as pretty much any other mage. Almost every other support can trade evenly with Zilean as a minimum, and he is outclassed in damage by every other role

Yeah, most of the ap mid laners suck at wave clear as they need to drain tons of mana to do it, and he just keeps pushign in the wave starving the mid lane for CS and they wont be getting any gold via kills, and since zileans kit is set as a support kit, he scales VERY well with average amounts of gold, plus there is no poking him if your not xerath/syndra as his bombs have insane range....i just feel hes too strong of a mid laner, with his strong wave clear, good scaling and safe laning, isn't the reason ziggs was nerfed so much back in s4 or s5 i think it was, because his laning was too fucking safe

JAGL AquaSep 11, 20171 votes

Consider the following:

Maybe try dodging his Q+W+Q combo?

I mean, it's not that hard, it's also pretty predictable at times, plus at least on Zilean the self-revive costs him one ability unlike Anivia or Zac where they get it as a passive.

XavanicSep 12, 20171 votes

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Consider the following:

Maybe try dodging his Q+W+Q combo?

I mean, it's not that hard, it's also pretty predictable at times, plus at least on Zilean the self-revive costs him one ability unlike Anivia or Zac where they get it as a passive.

When he hits you with that 99% slow, good luck

JAGL AquaSep 12, 20171 votes

Completely forgot about his E, woops.

XavanicSep 14, 20171 votes

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Completely forgot about his E, woops.

This is my problem, like i said, hes too safe, and if you do try to kill him, its actually just a bait, which he hits you with double e and essentially garuntees a kill for either himself of his jungler unless your ahri