I thought Fizz was bad without snowball after his nerfs

Divewing·Sep 13, 2015·2 votes·405 views

As a mid main I thought after his previous set of nerfs that saw him move primarily into top that AP fizz would never make me want to castrate myself again. Even with the recent changes I thought he'd be abusable early and more dominant late. But it seems I was wrong.

Riot. Trollpole is a broken ability that you have to change. Fizz has no gone mid->top->mid, and that's just a generalisation from since I started playing (early season 4). I don't think I've ever seen him straight up buffed (no nerfs in the same patch). Yet he keeps coming back, getting nerfed again and again. Trollpole is broken, it has to go or he will never change

13 Comments

TyroneWatermelonSep 13, 20152 votes

i thought once fizz took some serious skill to play. ONCE.

PennsSep 13, 20151 votes

Um... What nerfs?

HopFroggerSep 13, 20152 votes

His W and Ult were nerfed. To OP: I don't mind where Fizz is at now. He's no longer a pick for every game, and he can still be played with success. He's now more of an AP bruiser again, which honestly is a nice break if you decide to play him top.

PennsSep 13, 20151 votes

Imo all the recent changes were buffs as long as you can hit his ult, which isnt too hard.

LeeerzeichenSep 13, 20152 votes

Are you serious? He got a pretty hard early game nerf especially if he can hit his ult Ult: 20% damage amplification -> 20% magic damage amplification. How can losing 20% increased physical damage be a buff? Yes even ap fizz profited from the physical damage amplification. He lost around 12-22 physical damage per hit without extra ad or physical on hit effects (sheen) W: base damage 50 -> 30; ratio 0.25 -> 0.3. Fizz needs around 400 ap to compensate the base damage nerf, without considering the 12-22 lost physical damage so he needs around 770 ap to get the same damage per hit (an average fizz build has 760 ap) => nerf. Q: ratio 0.35 -> 0.4. Looks like a straight buff, but again you have to consider the lost 12-22 physical damage and the 20% increased sheen damage. 370 ap without sheen, 730 ap with sheen. So you are doing less damage until you finished your lichbane/runeglaive and you second and third item (rabadons and maybe zhonyas). Doesn't sounds to bad, but after finishing your third item you shouldn't have problems oneshotting squishies anyway. I will still count this change as a buff, because you can use your w to minimize the damage loss and without his ult this ability deals more damage than the prechanged version in every phase of the game. => buff

PennsSep 13, 20151 votes

I was talking about the changes before, too. Especially the 20% dmg amp was really good imo. If you hit ult onto someone, youre gonna aa him 3 times max, that doesnt really matter. Ill take that bonus 0.1 ap scaling (0.05 on every aa with w on). Lets be honest, who cares about 20 less on hit damage at level 13 on an AP burst assassin? I dont, at least. Also, the pretty big Q base damage nerf in 5.2 doesnt really matter either since you max it last and it probably starts to matter at ~ level 17. Idk about you, but Im ok with these changes.

HopFroggerSep 13, 20151 votes

His most recent change was an overall nerf to AD fizz, and a slight buff to AP fizz. Nothing really to debate there.

PennsSep 13, 20151 votes

Ap Fizz is the only Fizz anyway.

LeeerzeichenSep 13, 20151 votes

I do. I played a lot full ap fizz jungle and I have a lot less success with him after the change because his early ganking and duelling potential got almost completely destroyed, if your play with w max. I'm now forced to play with e max which hurts my clear speed and mana sustain really hard and still provides less duelling potential than the prenerfed w. This nerf doesn't really affects full ap midlane fizz (because he usually maxed e first), but jungle fizz got a pretty strong nerf.

PennsSep 13, 20151 votes

Fizz wasnt supposed to jungle in the first place lel.

LeeerzeichenSep 13, 20151 votes

gragas wasnt supposed to jungle, ezreal wasnt supposed to be an adc and annie wasnt supposed to be a support. Fizz was also supposed to favor sustained damage over burst. The meta changed and new playstyles were detected, and as long as they are not to strong riot should destroy them.

DivewingSep 14, 20151 votes

I cannot stand pole. Bullshit dmg, bullshit slow, I can't hit him for crap when he uses it. If someone gave me the choice to remove Lee Sin or give Fizz a new ability in place, id chose the freaking latter

shadecrapperSep 13, 20151 votes

They nerfed his burst. He snow balls really hard, like holly shit hard. Most of his damage in single target, so obviously you wont out dual him. The problem with Fizz is that everyone thinks they can 1 v 1 an assassin. Or out skirmish him. You need burst and hard CC against him, or he will out play you.