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Nerf Riven already, DAMN.

Trash MammaI··17 votes·1,618 views

EVERY REASON THAT YOU'VE EVER NERFED A CHAMPION CAN BE PUT RIGHT ON RIVEN AS WELL

Veigar Instant AoE stun was too op and left little to no counterplay. Meanwhile Riven gets to have an instant AoE stun on her W. yes, I realize his was ranged but it's not fking hard to use ONE of her 4 DASHES OR FLASH to get in range for it.

Jax We like Jax being a late game hypercarry. It's what he does, but his early game was too strong so we're toning it back guts early game Meanwhile Riven, instead of doing something about her overly abusive early game they remove her OP as fuck hp p/5 and think it makes up for her kit

Garen (Yes I know this got changed) Pre-rework(ish) Garen we don't like the idea of an execute being up everytime you get back to lane it's not healthy for gameplay. Meanwhile Riven gets her ultimate back up 2 seconds after she returns to lane HAS AN AD STEROID ON IT A RANGE INCREASE ANNND A RANGED A FKING O FKING E EXECUTE

I could go on with the entire champion roster but i'm just going to get salty and eventually lose my point. Nerf this fking shit champ. I'm sick of having games where everything seems fine then Riven picks up a kill due to some bs clutch with her overloaded ass kit then snowballing to the point if you don't have at least 4 armor items you're erased in mere seconds IF you get away she just executes you.

39 Comments

Joe Dredd7 votes

Riven lasts less than a third of what veigar's stun lasts If riven takes damage it sticks. She can't heal it off over time like other champs. Garen ult time was reduced, and garen's laning was and is more oppressive than rivens.

Saianna2 votes

It's still long enough for Riven to make full combo & use execute...

Joe Dredd3 votes

if you feed her l0l

Mr Broken Wings7 votes

Lol, for riven to cc you she has to stand in your face , there is more counterplay to it than instant range aoe zone of cc. you compared jax and riven because jax has a godly lategame and...riven doesnt? Doesnt make sense. Her ult cd got nerfed pretty hard already, she is fine. W/e another qq thread, saw better ones.

Trash MammaI2 votes

I didn't compare them in the slightest.

Jax's early game got nerfed because he was super strong late game Riven has a strong early mid and late game and stays very relevant during those times. Arguably having an average late game.

I wasn't comparing anything I was pointing out reasons.

Also you make it sound like the person with 4(5) dashes and a shield has a hard time getting into your face.

The only people I've ever seen try to Defend Riven are the ones who play/main her. I'm too lazy to look up you but i'm assuming you're one of them. No reasonable person would actually consider someone with such an overloaded kit balanced. So w/e

Baseball3b4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FJwEA3E7,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-09-08T15:29:32.959+0000)

I didn't compare them in the slightest.

Jax's early game got nerfed because he was super strong late game Riven has a strong early mid and late game and stays very relevant during those times. Arguably having an average late game.

I wasn't comparing anything I was pointing out reasons.

Also you make it sound like the person with 4(5) dashes and a shield has a hard time getting into your face.

The only people I've ever seen try to Defend Riven are the ones who play/main her. I'm too lazy to look up you but i'm assuming you're one of them. No reasonable person would actually consider someone with such an overloaded kit balanced. So w/e

I'm not sure where you're getting that she has a strong late game. That only happens when she gets fed, and even good rivens can be beaten easily in lane if you know what you're doing.

Secondly, if she uses her Q or E to get into your face, she's losing both damage and safety.

The simple solution is just to take Chogath Garen Nasus Olaf Malphite, build armor and laugh as she becomes irrelevant to you.

Miraweave2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FJwEA3E7,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-09-08T15:04:23.789+0000)

Lol, for riven to cc you she has to stand in your face , there is more counterplay to it than instant range aoe zone of cc. you compared jax and riven because jax has a godly lategame and...riven doesnt? Doesnt make sense. Her ult cd got nerfed pretty hard already, she is fine. W/e another qq thread, saw better ones.

She isn't fine. She won't be fine until she can't chain her knockup with her Q and can't kill people in the duration of her CC.

Blue Kaozi6 votes

As far as riven goes, there is too much of a difference between her skill floor and her skill ceiling, mostly determined by the knowledge of animation canceling or not. I just wish they would go one way or the other. Make it so all of her animations are short, but nerf her damage, or make it so (somehow) you could not animation cancel and buff her damage/cooldowns.

LaceUp234 votes

This is the exact problem. People that are good with Riven are really fucking good lol, but nerfing her would completely shit on the shitty players of League. Then people, "but meh winrate". Well yeah, there are a lot more shitty players than good ones playing her lol. Get rid of the hidden power (not sure if it was intentional by rito) so that you can actually balance the champ.

Trash MammaI3 votes

My issue with Riven is how much is in her kit

I'm fine with the 3 dashes on her Q but remove the stupid knockup or vise versa I'm fine with the dash on her E but remove the shield or vise versa I'm fine with the AD steroid/range buff on her R but remove the execute I'm fine with a stun on her W but why is it AoE?

Shen isn't allowed to proc his passive after every ability so why is Riven allowed to?

She's resourceless but since CDR items are so easy for Riven to get and build well for her she can easily negate that.

Jbels8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FJwEA3E7,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2015-09-08T14:04:56.023+0000)

My issue with Riven is how much is in her kit

I'm fine with the 3 dashes on her Q but remove the stupid knockup or vise versa I'm fine with the dash on her E but remove the shield or vise versa I'm fine with the AD steroid/range buff on her R but remove the execute I'm fine with a stun on her W but why is it AoE?

Shen isn't allowed to proc his passive after every ability so why is Riven allowed to?

She's resourceless but since CDR items are so easy for Riven to get and build well for her she can easily negate that.

If you removed all of those things about her, she would literally be Yasuo with half the mobility and none of the CC

Baseball3b6 votes

The biggest issue isn't her kit, but just that people don't know how to lane against her and think they don't have to alter their play style.

Have you ever seen an unfed Riven try to team fight? Generally, she has to blow a couple of spells to even enter the fight which means she loses both damage and safety. CC her before she dives the backline and you're fine.

Crowe Stalker3 votes

They actually were going to reduce animation playtimes so animation cancelling was not a requirement. Unfortunately they decided that was too OP or something without even attempting to reduce the damage so it never went through.

Video Comparison here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvNFvLdWxT0

Celeste Benal1 votes

That PBE change, omg lol. "Let's fix Riven by simply removing the animations, thus making her QQQ combo even faster."

Crowe Stalker1 votes

Well it would reduce the skillcap drastically by removing Animation Cancelling from the equation and thus letting them focus on her actual kit to balance, but then for some reason they decided against it because 'Muh Skill-Based Champion'

Narasimha5 votes

Instant AoE stun was too op and left little to no counterplay. Meanwhile Riven gets to have an instant AoE stun on her W. yes, I realize his was ranged but it's not fking hard to use ONE of her 4 DASHES OR FLASH to get in range for it.

Riven's has a short duration and is much much smaller. You can hit one, maybe two people on a regular basis. Veigar's was instant, ranged, giant, and served as a zoning tool as well.

We like Jax being a late game hypercarry. It's what he does, but his early game was too strong so we're toning it back guts early game Meanwhile Riven, instead of doing something about her overly abusive early game they remove her OP as fuck hp p/5 and think it makes up for her kit

So Jax is weak early, and a monster late game. Much like how Riven is strong early, and collapses lategame. And if you honestly say she doesn't fall off, then this needs to go no further.

(Yes I know this got changed) Pre-rework(ish) Garen we don't like the idea of an execute being up everytime you get back to lane it's not healthy for gameplay. Meanwhile Riven gets her ultimate back up 2 seconds after she returns to lane HAS AN AD STEROID ON IT A RANGE INCREASE ANNND A RANGED A FKING O FKING E EXECUTE

While Garen has a silence, MS boost, slow cleaning, natural armor + MR, damage reduction, and tenacity (pre-work). One does more damage, one is capable of taking more damage.

CreationFlaw4 votes

? For some reason people don't trade when people use their cooldowns to farm, dunno why. That'd probably help. She's not hard to beat

Dextix LT2 votes

Yes, because rivens that are not braindead will use her abilities to farm instead of zoning your ass.

The Bearded Bard2 votes

WHAT COOLDOWNS?

LadyRenly4 votes

epic meme bro

Ser Garland2 votes

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? For some reason people don't trade when people use their cooldowns to farm, dunno why. That'd probably help. She's not hard to beat

What cool downs? If she uses her Q to farm, than she still has her W and E, if she uses her W She still has her E and Q etc.

It's not like she has a bad ability, They're all good! Atleast when Garen uses his Q you can hit him confidently, or Quinn her E, but Riven? All her stuff is self peel and engage depending on how you use them. Her kit is too perfect.

JustMyBassCannon4 votes

Normally, I'd respond with something actually intellectual.

There's very little intellectual discussion, so all I have is get good, goddammit.

Crossette3 votes

Counterpick. Gnar

Penns2 votes

Gnar Gets shit on by a good Riven lel.

Crossette1 votes

"A good Riven"

=p not in silver 3 where my MMR resides

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

{quoted}

Counterpick. Gnar

Gnar counter riven pre level 3.

Ser Garland1 votes

{quoted}

Gnar counter riven pre level 3.

You ever kill someone pre level 3 in a game of competent players?

AdderTude1 votes

{quoted}

Counterpick. Gnar

Other way around. Riven counters Gnar .

Saianna3 votes

Add to that:

Alistar We've removed AAcancel from Alistars pulverize because it was too strong. Riven Q-AAC-Q-AAC-Q-AAC-Enemy has been slain. herp derp

Trash MammaI3 votes

Well, at least she doesn't build sheen..boy that would be a pain in the a-OH WAIT HER PASSIVE IS A SHEEN

Saianna1 votes

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if some pro-riven player would use sheen on Riven. Yeah he'd lose some money, but that huge power spike could be worth it :D

Baseball3b7 votes

Don't think you know how her animation canceling works.

It is almost impossible to do the quick combo (Q-AA-Q-AA-Q-AA) in lane or on a champion.

Her real strength is canceling her other abilities (E-R-Q-Hydra-W for example) but honestly just take someone tanky and you won't have a problem.

(contrary to popular opinion Nasus is a great pick against Riven)

Saianna1 votes

I just gave an example of her AA cancelling.

I've never tried it myslef (really!) as I always felt it was dirty..

Also I didn't meant Alistar as counterpick against Riven. Just the fact his AA cancel got removed for balance reasons, while Riven has it all. I DO know she's "balanced around her AA cancelling" but that is plain bullshit. She'll never be balanced that way.

Baseball3b5 votes

Sorry, it's just that everybody jumps on the circle-jerk QQ train about her quick combo when they don't even know what it does.

My fault there, I wasn't implying he was a counter pick, Nasus was just the first champion that popped into my head that can beat her pretty easily. As for the Alistar nerf, I think it was more because he was virtually unkillable with his ult up while dishing out literally a crap ton of damage. Contrast that with Riven whose damage is virtually all she has.

I actually started playing Riven because I was having a hard time laning against her myself (hence my lvl 5 mastery with her, even though I fucking hated her at the time) and while I'm by no means the best riven or even a great one, I have a fairly good handle on her animation canceling. The matchups I absolutely hated were when the enemy took a tanky top laner against me (Chogath Garen Malphite Nasus Olaf etc) Essentially, your job is to build armor, laugh as she gets no kills and becomes irrelevant and then peel her before she can dive your backline

Saianna1 votes

Is AAcancel on 8s pulverize so OP?

Can you really call it "tons of damage"? Maybe in case of AD Alistar that would be serious... But with other builds that damage was unnoticeable.

I'll be honest. I dislike Riven. Dislike her AA cancel and her free stats. Her mobility. Execute. Pretty much everything about her. She has far too much of stuff in her kit.

But I do know how to play against her.

Imo as long as Riot will go with "we balance her around AA cancel" policy, we'll never see her actually balanced. You either meet terrible Rivens or best of the world ones. Nothing in middle.

Weathered3 votes

They're not nerfing riven, stop making these posts.

All they might do is alter a skill or too so that they take more skill to actually use ._.

Baseball3b3 votes

Might just have to spam this link on every Riven QQ thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/361uh1/how_to_beat_riven_in_any_matchup_by_a_diamond/

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Its fine, I can't play Riven with my current Chicago ping anyway. Wp RIto.

MarvelousJ1 votes

Riven is fine the way she is. If anything she could use a boost to her early jungle clear somehow since hp5 was nerfed. She is like every champ in the game no matter how crappy or OP they are. Have a bunch of CS and more kills then everyone else and your going to dominate them all. Die on riven and now your 0/3 maybe 0/4 and your done basically and need a miracle. You wont do enough damage to hurt people cause your probably also down levels short on gold and need to build damage but your behind. Also it takes quite a bit of skill if your opponents are somewhat decent to carry games. You cant just press Q 3x and people die. It is not even doing a fast Q combo that make these people beat you so bad you think she should be nerfed. It is the 100 different combos she has and knowing when to use them and knowing how much damage she can or can't do. Blow all your CD and over estimate your damage and not kill someone. There is a good chance you might die now. People that play riven and make her seem ridiculously broken probably only ever really play riven. She is just that champ where its all riven or nothing.

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