So they just gutted shiv because adcs shouldnt waveclear so easily

Rexxiee·Mar 20, 2018·1 votes·892 views

Meanwhile

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Dead flag bluesMar 20, 201815 votes

Because mages are supposed to wave clear easily <Removed By Moderation>, adc can do everything in game : pushing / splitpushing, waveclear, teamfighters, siege, taking objectives

RexxieeMar 20, 20181 votes

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Because mages are supposed to wave clear easily you mong, adc can do everything in game : pushing / splitpushing, waveclear, teamfighters, siege, taking objectives

They said they wanted to nerf waveclear accross the board, but forgot about mages apparently.

Malicious MetalMar 20, 201811 votes

They're fucking upping minion health in the near future. How you're still allowed to post on these boards is a mystery to me.

RexxieeMar 20, 20182 votes

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They're fucking upping minion health in the near future. How you're still allowed to post on these boards is a mystery to me.

Yeah because upping minion health only affects mages, it doesnt affect every champ in the game, right?

RalanrMar 20, 20182 votes

Hence why every champions waveclear is being effected.

ADCs were just getting too much for too little.

RagnaveilMar 20, 20181 votes

I've noticed this guy complain about almost every change or release that has happened (Had one on Kai'Sa that wanted 550 range, and I told them that wont happen, and if anything, a 525 range buff. Was told off and assumed to be having 0 clue on how the champ works. Good times.) Not sure if they are trying to farm downvotes.

RalanrMar 20, 20181 votes

Shrugs

RagnaveilMar 20, 20181 votes

Kinda wish people like them would take time to think things through on a level standpoint. I main toplane, yet I knew what kind of range buff Kai'Sa would need. How did I know that? I studied the strengths, weaknesses, and concept of the champion.

Malicious MetalMar 20, 20183 votes

Yeah, which is the bloody intention. Also, Adc's shouldn't really be able to match a dedicated Waveclearer's ability to wipe minions.

They're there for sieging and reliable lategame DPS and NOT being able to literally do everything other classes do.

AirKingNeoMar 20, 20181 votes

He wasn't defending ADCs. He was attacking mages.

HalcyonDwellerMar 20, 20181 votes

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How you're still allowed to post on these boards is a mystery to me.

Banning them wouldn't help. They would just come back on an alternate account and post the same stubborn claims.

RagnaveilMar 20, 20181 votes

coughRyze E change 8.5cough

VekknaMar 20, 20181 votes

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They said they wanted to nerf waveclear accross the board, but forgot about mages apparently.

Put your thinking cap on for a second. If they buff minion health across the board, which of these champs will come out ahead in terms of waveclear?

A class with cooldowns and spell costs
A class with dps with no cost or cooldown

Think really hard. You'll figure it out.

Triumphant GloryMar 20, 20182 votes

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Because mages are supposed to wave clear easily you mong, adc can do everything in game : pushing / splitpushing, waveclear, teamfighters, siege, taking objectives

Mage have to use their spell to waveclear properly. Adc only have to basic attack. This is the main reason. Also ADC still have enought waveclear tool. Shiv is still good and there is runnan.

ModMaybeFiftyOttersMar 21, 20181 votes

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Because mages are supposed to wave clear easily <Removed By Moderation>, adc can do everything in game : pushing / splitpushing, waveclear, teamfighters, siege, taking objectives

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JbelsMar 20, 20188 votes

Holy cow, are you just going through literally ever bit of changes Riot puts out and making a complaint thread about them? Ambitious.

To answer your thread though, no. Marksmen should not be waveclearing as well as they are. That's the job of mages, a title which applies to literally every champion you have highlighted here.

KhristophorosMar 20, 20188 votes

Mages are supposed to waveclear better than ADCs

ÇhåryzårdMar 20, 20184 votes

Good.

It was a pretty good item and it was cheap.

I'm sick of every adc and their mother rushing it, especially Vayne and Tristana who would use it to half health you with 1 auto attack.

Fisher No ChainsMar 20, 20182 votes

The thread itself is ridiculous, but listing Cass among champs with waveclear makes it even better.

RainXBladeMar 20, 20182 votes

Found the salty ADC main.

JamareeMar 20, 20181 votes

Because an adc should have waveclear without spending any mana cost, positioning, or risk to themselves right?

RexxieeMar 20, 20181 votes

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Because an adc should have waveclear without spending any mana cost, positioning, or risk to themselves right?

They bought a 26t00 gold item for it.

RalanrMar 20, 20184 votes

Which is incredibly cheap when you compare it to other classes.

RexxieeMar 20, 20181 votes

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Which is incredibly cheap when you compare it to other classes.

Compared to what? the 1200 gold tiamat?

RalanrMar 20, 20181 votes

Tiamat waveclear is not on par with Shiv and I’m talking about full items.

JamareeMar 20, 20186 votes

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They bought a 26t00 gold item for it.

Wow, 2600 gold for an item that perfectly specs into their builds that they have no real downside to getting, such a massive leap they have to take for it.

saltranMar 20, 20181 votes

Because this champs have as one of their strenghts the waveclear, what was busted is that every crit adc was able to have Sivir lvl waveclear just for this item.

And I'm saying this as a adc main that builds Shyv in 96% of my games.

KythersMar 20, 20181 votes

Jinx item 3085 heh nothing personnel creepwaves

KivolanMar 20, 20181 votes

Mages aren't going to 100-0 a turret in one wave since they have no AD.

ADCs waveclearing too easily is a problem due to their ability to destroy a turret in two seconds.

AnomanderMar 20, 20181 votes

Mages are mana gated..... also if you use abilities to clear you are risking cooldowns at the start of fight. They trade a lot for their wave clear..... ADC's right click.

VekknaMar 20, 20181 votes

item 3085 is still there for wave clear.

They nerfed shiv so you couldn't assassinate squishies and waveclear with the same item.