Nerf Kalista's E

Burnt Light··51 votes·2,848 views

Kalista's E gives her easy burst damage, easy farming, and easy "smite" on dragon and Baron. The mana cost should gradually increase.

Mana Cost: 40/50/60/70/80.

And the mana "refund" per kill should be removed as this allows for farming to be way too easy and unfair on other ADCs.

32 Comments

Vigilwake13 votes

Seconded plus 90% of people who play her build the same first item to out farm the adc easy item 3085 because of its tri attack bonus they just attack the whole wave press E and clear it with bonus mana. It is just not right. They say that twitch has the highest attack speed but that is no longer the case.

Egyptian3 votes

hurricane doesn't spawn more minions on the map you only get outfarmed if you miss cs !

The Raidbringer4 votes

Kalista gets mana back only on 2 minions per Rend cast. She can't kill a wave and get to full mana. If she rushes hurricane she has no AD so her E deals a really tiny amount of damage because the base amount is really low. She really needs bonus AD to make her E powerful. Sometimes I wish people played the "OP champions" before they complain about them.

dr lichdeath3 votes

i know ur feels played kalista too and afterwards i couldnt really complain anymore too much crappy supps :( kalista depends way too much on her supp in comparison with other champions if u acvtually dare to lose 1v2 vs her then ur just outright bad

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

crappy supps :(

We're not crappy. We just hate Kalista. XD

Yer Not My Uncle9 votes

Everything that gets released you kids cry about. Wahh mobility. Wahh this can do that. Wahh this is allowed to much. Learn to play against it and build around it. Kalista is not op. Late game vayne destroys late game Kalista. Nerf VAYNE RITO PLEASE. Vayne can destroy tanks and anything instantly. Vayne op. Vayne broken. Nerf w to do 1% damage per upgrade no the emount of does. omg so broken. God you kids need to stop jumpingo n here as soon as school is out. It's irritating. Same threads over and over.

jDVL20eCYs3 votes

up votes, up votes for the truth.

Orangesilk7 votes

This is clearly how you've never played her.

She needs a bone thrown in her general direction regarding farming in lane early because her passive makes it a chore to last-hit minions since you can't cancel autos, just jump around instead of canceling anything.

She got her much needed nerf to her mobility, now we'll see how she evolves from there, and how her presence affects the tank meta.

Aerrux4 votes

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This is clearly how you've never played her.

She needs a bone thrown in her general direction regarding farming in lane early because her passive makes it a chore to last-hit minions since you can't cancel autos, just jump around instead of canceling anything.

She got her much needed nerf to her mobility, now we'll see how she evolves from there, and how her presence affects the tank meta.

Nah, how about we nerf her where she belongs?

Qsario2 votes

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This is clearly how you've never played her.

She needs a bone thrown in her general direction regarding farming in lane early because her passive makes it a chore to last-hit minions since you can't cancel autos, just jump around instead of canceling anything.

She got her much needed nerf to her mobility, now we'll see how she evolves from there, and how her presence affects the tank meta.

Actually all you need is a good support. Once you have W your support can fix your last hits / help you waveclear due to the W passive. Nobody abuses it enough right now, probably due to the rarity of supports who even understand it.

Timewinder6 votes

All I want is a cap on monsters so she doesn't get easy dragons or barons.

Decrous3 votes

I want that and a slightly nerfed passive (either a cooldown of like .75 seconds or less range)

Matezoide5 votes

Meanwhile Twitch E

kek

Aria Valkyrie6 votes

what, it's not like twitch has an infinitely stacking execute that applies a pretty massive slow on the targets he hits

Matezoide3 votes

Ya, thats what i meant. It is sad how Kalista's E alone far outclasses Twitch's one damaging spell + passive while also reseting (And having a pass mechanic) and having half the mana cost.

Sorry i wasnt too clear, i made it sound like Twitch E was good in comparasion to Kal's

At least Twitch deals 4 true damage per second so it is okay :^]

Aria Valkyrie1 votes

It was sarcasm, lmao

both their E's need a revamp. Kali needs work to not make it dumb, and Twitch really needs something more

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

4 tiems + boots twtihc vs 5 times + boots twitch? i take twitch any day. he is monster late game compared to kalsita. and runnan build scale so poorly. kalist is an early game champ that fall of late game

Shroom Junkie3 votes

I love Kalista as much as the next guy, but I agree, her E needs a nerf. A slight one, but a nerf. She doesn't have any basic-attack enhancing abilities(unless in a fight with her soulbound, making her very teamwork reliant), or sustain(except lifesteal, which every adc can get), so I think the E should stay. But, I think it should do the base 10/14/19/25/32 damage rather than 20/30/40/50/60 on the first one. I also think the cooldown should only be cut in half if it kills a minion, as to stop from spam farming with it. However, if it kills a champion or monster, the cooldown is reset completely(any monster, even small ones).

Omiwom2 votes

Riot jammed so much onto her E.. If you compare it to other similar farming spells such as GP, Irelia or Annie's Qs, you see just how generous Riot was with this champ. GP and Annie only get partial CD refunded, Irelia gets half mana, but Kalista gets everything.

It's completely free, which might even be ok, if it didn't reset off a single last hit. You can have stacks on five minions(Vayne item 3070) , only execute one and still get the reset. Why? Just because it's convenient for her? No, that's not ok. It's not fair to other champs.

Jasiwel1 votes

The stacking should be finite, cap at X and I have no idea why they allowed it to refund mana.

IceKingChernobog1 votes

that and take away the mana refund and slow from her E as well

Ace Access 1 votes

also add a max limit on how many spears can be stuck to you at any given time

Buttigieg 20201 votes

It is 274 or something like that. Completely balanced.

dr lichdeath1 votes

who tested that out?

Dunkrius2g1 votes

A whole package... Very smart.... ↑↑↑↑↑↑

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

nerf all the qq indeed

FooDang1 votes

Kalista is fine. She has no burst, It's an execute ability or a harassing tool in lane w/ execute on a minion. To get stacks on champions she has to be in the "Danger Zone" and in range of possible enemy CC. She is sustained damage in team fights, that's it...ever wonder why when a pro team picks Kalista as adc they usually back it up with Ezreal or Corki mid? Because she doesn't have burst/dmg output that a traditional adc has.

Almost everyone that is bitching has probably never played Kalista...

R0GER1 votes

mana cost for her ability 40/50/60/70/80 are just too little , meanwhile the majority mana cost are around 80-110 ...not fair

Riot need to take a closer look at Kat comparing to the rest of the champions

Kanzler1 votes

I think a fair nerf would be to remove her passive, reduce her base ms to 250, and make her E do damage to her equal to what it does to the enemy. And if the kalista haters still arent pleased with that, we can nerf irelia again to bring kalista back into line.

All kidding aside, stop whining about a champion that really isnt OP. The only thing I would like removed from her kit is the sentinel. That thing is quite unnecessary.

Adstract1 votes

She gets countered by almost every adc in a 1v1, just need point some click cc, and never burst the support first

Schlachsahne761 votes

We have so many more problematic champs atm. Kalista is ok i think.

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