Why Does Cull Still Exist?

Woodakoodashooda··1 votes·917 views

Edit: This was a legitimate question, by the way. I merely included personal observations as to why I personally would not buy it. But that's how boards work. Ask a question, get bombarded with 'GIT GUD NUB!'.

item 1083

What use is this item? Where is its niche if it even has one?

It's obviously an inferior starting item to the likes of item 1055 . And it has no build path so, if you were to substitute item 1055 then it's better to pick up item 1036 or item 2033 .

I know that when farming becomes easier later on, you can easily complete its passive, but why would you waste a precious item slot on it when you need a free slot throughout most of the game for item 2043 .

I realize that it was introduced with the ADC rework of last year and that it even received a minor buff to entice players into purchasing it, but I honestly consider this item nothing more than troll bait.

Gold efficiency is not the objective for starting items. The objective is sustaining in lane or jungle to make early farm as painless as possible, but item 1083 fails to accomplish this. It, in fact, contradicts the very purpose of laning with measly AD, negligible health restore, and a cost that prevents purchasing anything other than one item 2003 at game start.

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1011001110002 votes

180 gold profit from it. Doran's is gold loss outright.

The on-hit heal apparently procs on structures.

Relic Shield procs Cull stacks because Relic Shield gives kill credit.

Until you get significantly over 100 AD, 3% lifesteal and a 3 heal on-hit are effectively the same.

1 AD difference.

The only effective advantage Doran's Blade has is that it has more health for slightly more tankiness.

It might not be a great starting item in aggressive lane match-ups because of the health difference, but it's a great first buy on an early back, and it edges out a gold advantage if you're going even with the enemy laner. Doran's only sustain value is if you REALLY hold onto it and go above 150 AD, where the 3% lifesteal becomes significantly higher.

Swiftstrike42 votes

It has been a bad item for awhile and the only reason you purchase the item is in the bottom lane if you die early.

It isn't really that cost effective and Doran's blade is just a superior item. I think if they buffed the item too much though, it would be too strong.

I would not be surprised if they remove the item in preseason.

Succubús GF1 votes

I see people grab dorans blade first and if they die early, they buy a cull instead of boots and health pots for an extra lead

Cabruh1 votes

Not really an adc, but the only insight for me would be to increase the on hit passive somehow (more lifesteal) or even get rid of it and get a small hp heal for every minion you kill.

Vallalan1 votes

cull right now has a good niche as a second buy instead of going double dorans.

if they want it to be a viable starting item I think they should lower cost a bit. make it to where you can start cull and refillable potion.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

cull nets an extra 180g. its free gold and can help you buy an item sooner.

yes its inferior but you are trading raw stats for scaling.

its just a decision you make, albeit you wont choose cull for the same reason you wont choose scaling runes.

(because you want to win early game and start a snowball and by extension it no longer matters if the enemy has better scaling because you've created a huge gold lead)

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Watch worlds for a bit and you'll see why

Rivuo1 votes

You must not be a very good adc if you think cull is a bad item

Woodakoodashooda1 votes

I don't play (ranged) ADC because I AM bad at that particular role. It is my worst role and it's something I've long since accepted. Unless my support is godly or, at the very least, near perfect, I will end up doing extremely badly in that lane.

I'm the kind of ADC that ages my support an extra year from the aggravation of having to do 75%+ of the work just so I can kill steal.

You do NOT want me touching any ADC in ranked play.

Rivuo1 votes

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I don't play (ranged) ADC because I AM bad at that particular role. It is my worst role and it's something I've long since accepted. Unless my support is godly or, at the very least, near perfect, I will end up doing extremely badly in that lane.

I'm the kind of ADC that ages my support an extra year from the aggravation of having to do 75%+ of the work just so I can kill steal.

You do NOT want me touching any ADC in ranked play.

Cull is an amazing item. Instead of B.F sword rush on first back i go pickaxe + Cull.

When im ahead i buy cull. When im behind i buy cull. When im even i buy cull.

xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes

Watch UZI in worlds right now. He picked it up as a second item and doubled the other adc's gold and by the time team fighting started his ezreal was unstoppable.

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