List of champs who need nerfs ASAP

You dont really need an argument when they are all clearly over tuned.

Normally, I'd agree with you, but that's because it's usually a bad list. But he's right about every champion on the list. Here's my justification for each one:

(Disclaimer: I use lolalytics.com to judge overall strength.)

- Highest winrate in the game, both on average and on experienced champion mains. Not picked a lot though. So he's strong but not fun; probably needs more work than just nerfs. So I guess he doesn't need nerfs "ASAP", but they certainly wouldn't hurt. - Runner up to Ivern for best winrates. But picked and banned a lot more. Probably should have been at the top of this list. And he's already got nerfs on the PBE. - Again, one of the top 10 champions according to winrates. But she actually gets picked a ton. Generalists are one of the worst types of champion to be strong, because then they are the best choice 100% of the time. Why play anyone else mid, when Ahri is so good, has almost no weak matchups, and fits in any teamcomp? - Same as Ahri, but for the ADC role. Highest pickrate in the game. Lee Sin usually holds the title of most popular, but Lucian has eclipsed him in every category. Honestly, Lucian suffers most of the same problems as Azir and Kalista, who have been left in the gutter because of those problems. No champion deserves such harsh treatment, but it would be one of the biggest hypocrisies to let Lucian stay as he is, while those two sit in the gutter. - Tank Fizz is a thing again. It needs to not be a thing. AP mid Fizz is also doing quite well, not too strong, but could stand some nerfs (targeted at Tank Fizz) and still be decent. - Top pro-play jungler. Banned half of the time (which is quite frustrating for Graves mains). Probably 3rd or 4th best jungler, after Ivern and Shaco. Not many weaknesses. Nerfs already confirmed, I think. - She's not incredibly strong (she has plenty of competition in solo queue, and some in pro-play), but she's another generalist who does everything. Well, that is, everything that an enchanter support can be expected to do. Brand/Zyra, Nautilus, and Blitz are still kings of their respective niche. So she's really the only one whose place on this list is questionable. Unless she is vastly outperforming Janna, Nami, and Karma (she's not), then nerfs can probably wait. Although she is now the most popular enchanter in pro-play and ranked, so she's worth keeping an eye on.

Edit: I'd probably add Talon and Katarina to the list too, for being too strong at the top of the ranked ladder (in the hands of experts), for being banned a ton, and for lacking tactical counterplay. There is no escape from a good Talon or Kat. (Obviously, they are less strong against highly-coordinated pros, who can protect their squishies and care more about objectives than kills.)

Ahri brigade to the rescue, considered you likely said this purely in defense of Ahri herself and not every champ listed, I will give a reason I personally think she is strong

Yes, Ahri is not oppressive to play against in particular but a lot of her power is hidden behind her mistakes being nigh unpunishable due to the CC and mobility in her kit, an Ahri dying is not you being good, it's the Ahri being quite bad as there is such small room for error on her unless you go really aggro as Ahri. She outscales a decent number of mid laners with more safety than nearly any other mid laner in the game which is why she has maintained a high winrate and playrate for so, so long (oh, and waifu, but that doesn't explain the winrate). I agree on the front of "poor Ahri mains, nobody complained until she was played in LCS and everyone else got nerfed", but alas now she needs to be nerfed too (just like my main Talon needs the early game nerf he has on the PBE), yet there are currently none in sight, this is causing people to become more and more frustrated as time goes on. I think that Riot should revert her Q change from a couple of years ago, and take the movespeed out of it but give her a damage amp back on E so it once again becomes a critical part of her kit. As currently, she can miss E, Q, R to force the second half of Q through her opponent, W, R, R ignite to kill someone. Putting more focus on her E and spreading her power budget out more again would make her more healthy to play against and give you more options vs her.

I'm sure that Ahri FEK you have has no baring on your opinion.

Agreed

In a word: Yes.

Only ivern players i seen while ranking up a new smurf account (from placements to gold 2 right now with plat 4 mmr) were other smurfs i ran into.

i see him most of the time in diamond if hes not banned

Ivern has almost a 55% win rate that goes up to almost 57% in diamond. He's busted but he requires people who have enough skill to make playing a support jungler worthwhile. I'd love to play him but I'm not touching him until i make my way to high gold/low plat at least.

Lulu needs it more

and every melee in the game.

janna does the same thing except she cant also jump on you with her adc.

she has 1 choice and thats to defend.,

you cant have a kit that allows to defend and attack on really good levels.

its bullshit and unfair.